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Wrong, what level do you play at? People don't rush Templar pvz or pvp. Rushing to Templar pvt will get you killed most of the time if the Terran is good and scouts your tech before storm tech comes into play, that or its a map that has a natural choke.

Rushing ghosts TvZ means that you wont be able to attack or safely grab a third for a while and ghosts that early will cut into your tank production. Besides, what is a ghost going to do against a ling/bling ubnit comp? Snipe? rofl. Ghosts tvt are almost never seen unless someone is playing a gimmicky style.

Diamond random. but you didnt read what i wrote or I didnt make myself clear enough.

your talking about teching straight to infesters in I presume a safe way not a crazy gimmicky all in....In which case were talking 2 bases assuming some early pressure of some sort so no lair till 5 min mark give or take and then assuming we aim to have our infesters pop when path glands finishes so were talking 8 mins + for early "safe" infesters. obviously if your playing against scrubs who dont early pressure vs a Z then it can be done allot faster but that doesnt matter, If you dont put pressure on Z youve lost anyway. Or you can take a risk and gamble on him letting you be greedy and get your tech out quicker but that isnt safe its luck.

I said getting ghost or High templar out at the same time as infesters which is safe and sensible and reasonably common to see in high level play the timing are pretty well worked out. and by high level I dont mean me I mean GSL. TvP T needs ghosts for emp P needs HT for feedback on medivacs and ghosts and archon, and obviously to transition into storm as the research finishes. Feedback, emp and snipe all obviously counter infesters.

for PVP I'd say templar tech is more often just used for the archon particularly in mineral heavy comps like charge zealot archon. But its the same "rush"

TvT I'll give you I rarely use or see them but 2/3 matchups isnt bad.

Rushing infesters in ZvZ is as risky as doing anything in ZvZ number of games you see of ZvZ making it as far as lair tech I'd estimate at less than 30% most are early pools roach timmings and banes. sure in that rare circumstance then infesters are good but I still think muta play nestea style is far safer and more effective.

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Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post
Most Koreans feel ZvT is pretty balanced right now. I haven't heard *****ing in a long time, unless there is something I've missed ( idra doesn't count )?
Im inclined to agree I guess last few zvt's I watched were all MVP so think im a little jaded
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Diamond random. but you didnt read what i wrote or I didnt make myself clear enough.

your talking about teching straight to infesters in I presume a safe way not a crazy gimmicky all in....In which case were talking 2 bases assuming some early pressure of some sort so no lair till 5 min mark give or take and then assuming we aim to have our infesters pop when path glands finishes so were talking 8 mins + for early "safe" infesters. obviously if your playing against scrubs who dont early pressure vs a Z then it can be done allot faster but that doesnt matter, If you dont put pressure on Z youve lost anyway. Or you can take a risk and gamble on him letting you be greedy and get your tech out quicker but that isnt safe its luck.

I said getting ghost or High templar out at the same time as infesters which is safe and sensible and reasonably common to see in high level play the timing are pretty well worked out. and by high level I dont mean me I mean GSL. TvP T needs ghosts for emp P needs HT for feedback on medivacs and ghosts and archon, and obviously to transition into storm as the research finishes. Feedback, emp and snipe all obviously counter infesters.

for PVP I'd say templar tech is more often just used for the archon particularly in mineral heavy comps like charge zealot archon. But its the same "rush"

TvT I'll give you I rarely use or see them but 2/3 matchups isnt bad.

Rushing infesters in ZvZ is as risky as doing anything in ZvZ number of games you see of ZvZ making it as far as lair tech I'd estimate at less than 30% most are early pools roach timmings and banes. sure in that rare circumstance then infesters are good but I still think muta play nestea style is far safer and more effective.



Im inclined to agree I guess last few zvt's I watched were all MVP so think im a little jaded
U can't blindly rush infestors in zvz, rushing ghosts in pvt is only second best to 1/1/1
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Most Koreans feel ZvT is pretty balanced right now. I haven't heard *****ing in a long time, unless there is something I've missed ( idra doesn't count )?
They're srsly *****ing about the ghost play mvp showcased vs July, but they don't feel it's as broken as pvt.
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ive bought this thing for almost 2 years now.....



i never realized that......



in SEA, I am a Terran.......




in NA, I am mostly a protoss......





but in REAL LIFE.......








I am THE ZERG!



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They're srsly *****ing about the ghost play mvp showcased vs July, but they don't feel it's as broken as pvt.
I don't see why, MVP is obviously just better than July.
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whoa.
Are you watching GSL?
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Are you watching GSL?
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What are we woahing about?
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