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I posted our strat earlier in this thread

But in a few weeks we've went from Gold to Plat to diamond, until tonight:







Edited by CravinR1 - 9/11/11 at 11:58pm
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^^ Some tips. First, building gas at 9 supply with mineral boosters can get u equal number of lings and much faster speed time. Helps a lot against opponent 10poolers. Second, U shouldn't lose so much lings if u do 10 pool. Ur main goal should be scout ur opponent and do eco damage if possible, but not lose ur lings. Third, 2 gateway stalker into 4 gate stalker is better because u can push when the protoss has 3 stalkers, which is earlier than ur timing. Or u can push with 7 stalkers as well. Fourth, stalker ling is heavily countered by 2Z, or 1T 1Z. If u get that MU, try something a bit different. No build works all the time in every MU, maybe except Marineling, but u need to adjust timing for that one as well.
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^^ Some tips. First, building gas at 9 supply with mineral boosters can get u equal number of lings and much faster speed time. Helps a lot against opponent 10poolers. Second, U shouldn't lose so much lings if u do 10 pool. Ur main goal should be scout ur opponent and do eco damage if possible, but not lose ur lings. Third, 2 gateway stalker into 4 gate stalker is better because u can push when the protoss has 3 stalkers, which is earlier than ur timing. Or u can push with 7 stalkers as well. Fourth, stalker ling is heavily countered by 2Z, or 1T 1Z. If u get that MU, try something a bit different. No build works all the time in every MU, maybe except Marineling, but u need to adjust timing for that one as well.
So whats the build for the 4 gate stalkers that are earlier than 5.5 min?

In 2.5 weeks (when the video was uploaded) we went from Plat to diamond to masters (we were only plat for 2 days before being bumped to to diamond)
Edited by CravinR1 - 9/12/11 at 12:43am
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So whats the build for the 4 gate stalkers that are earlier than 5.5 min?

In 2.5 weeks (when the video was uploaded) we went from Plat to diamond to masters (we were only plat for 2 days before being bumped to to diamond)
4 gate can hit BEFORE 6 minutes. The build I was talking about skips zealot, builds a 2nd gateway at 20 supply, 2 stalkers, and 2 additional gateways at 30 supply.


About the master thing, I know the high level 2v2 scene well. Not to sound saucy, but in team games, it's the win ratio that determines skill level, not league. Pretty easy to hit masters with just double 6 pool. Good 2v2er should have 2:1 ratio, exceptional one has 3:1. Anything major over that means they're top 5-10 in region level, hacking, or they tanked their MMR to get free wins in lower leagues.

Stalker ling is a good tactic that's frequently used, but isn't usually favoured over TZ because it's inferior.
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4 gate can hit BEFORE 6 minutes. The build I was talking about skips zealot, builds a 2nd gateway at 20 supply, 2 stalkers, and 2 additional gateways at 30 supply.


About the master thing, I know the high level 2v2 scene well. Not to sound saucy, but in team games, it's the win ratio that determines skill level, not league. Pretty easy to hit masters with just double 6 pool. Good 2v2er should have 2:1 ratio, exceptional one has 3:1. Anything major over that means they're top 5-10 in region level, hacking, or they tanked their MMR to get free wins in lower leagues.

Stalker ling is a good tactic that's frequently used, but isn't usually favoured over TZ because it's inferior.
Me and JustTheMan have been playing since I was bronze 1v1, and we were silver 2v2 (several months). During that time we've both progressed and learned and improved. So alot of the wins/losses were in silver league.

When we hit at 5 and a half minutes he has 5 stalkers, I try to feed him mins to help him get extra gates/stalks asap
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Me and JustTheMan have been playing since I was bronze 1v1, and we were silver 2v2 (several months). During that time we've both progressed and learned and improved. So alot of the wins/losses were in silver league.

When we hit at 5 and a half minutes he has 5 stalkers, I try to feed him mins to help him get extra gates/stalks asap
When u do 10p, u should not have leftover minerals. 10 drones optimally saturate 1 hatchery worth of zergling production. With the 2 gate -> 4 gate, u can hit at 6 min with 7 stalkers and 2 zealots, and move forward with 3 stalkers or 2 stalkers and 2 zealots.
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Yeah, i dunno why i'm keep posting, but my point is:1. There could be improvements 2. Stalker ling isn't the best rush build these days. 3. Ur 10p can be improved
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i have been getting a msg sometimes telling me that the computer is slowing down the game

my understanding is thats a hardware issue which is impossible but could it be internet? i am on wireless
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I posted our strat earlier in this thread

But in a few weeks we've went from Gold to Plat to diamond, until tonight:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3AHPpODcQY
the best "cheese" free masters 2v2 strat is the korean 4 gate aka 5 gate just zels and overlord spotting with speedlings


basically the reason terran and toss have to wall off is because no race can actually beat zerglings for the first 6mins and the build makes it so you have to leave your wall while speedlings bust it down and zels can warp in base

you do 1 gas for 50 gas pull off gas chrono out warpgate have 2 overlords at a clif for each enemy base and whatever base you decide to attack the overlord spots for a 5 zel warp in which can easily be afforded off just mineral mining while the zerg has expanded and jsut mined minerals and 100 gas for speed and just keeps sending waves of lings

this strat will get ANYONE masters in 2v2. broken bracket lol
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