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The neural parasite range nerf went live today. I was just now messing around with it. 7 range. It's LOL short. It's literally funny to look at. I'll take a screenshot later. Just one glance will tell you it has exactly 0% chance of working against a big protoss ball. I doubt it will even work against terran mech. I would have preferred having it be unable to target massive and still have 9 range. With 7 range it's essentially useless. I suppose you could drop manner neurals on a beaten opponent.
There were 2 reasons that I see for the reduced range of NP.
1. The infestor was too good of a unit and it's main purpose is to support. I blame Destiny for this. Massing infestors, mass FG, mass NP, mass ITs, etc.... Basically, Blizzard doesn't want the infestor to be massed and then mostly used by itself to win the game. It's the same with ghosts/hts. You might be able to snipe or storm as much energy as you have but it would be pretty much impossible to win any game using just mass ghosts/hts.
2. With range 9, it would make it much harder to snipe the infestor. Most units are range 6(think stalker, marauders, etc....) and of course, there are a lot of melee units. What will usually happen is that the Zerg sends his units into the Protoss then the Zerg player just has to click NP on his infestors and select the colossi. Due to the range, the stalkers would have a hard time trying to pick off the infestor so the colossi will remain in control of the Zerg player. This doesn't take into account using the other infestors to FG the zealots/stalkers etc... Essentially, the Protoss looses his power units, gets rooted so that they can't snipe the infestor and then his army gets demolished while the Zerg loses a much smaller amount in comparison. Of course, this doesn't consider ghosts/hts into the mix but with mech, you can still NP thors but they get a hit off I believe and the difference doesn't apply as much to tanks
Thoughts?

Edit: Day9 streaming DIII:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Day%5B9%5D
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There were 2 reasons that I see for the reduced range of NP.
1. The infestor was too good of a unit and it's main purpose is to support. I blame Destiny for this. Massing infestors, mass FG, mass NP, mass ITs, etc.... Basically, Blizzard doesn't want the infestor to be massed and then mostly used by itself to win the game. It's the same with ghosts/hts. You might be able to snipe or storm as much energy as you have but it would be pretty much impossible to win any game using just mass ghosts/hts.
2. With range 9, it would make it much harder to snipe the infestor. Most units are range 6(think stalker, marauders, etc....) and of course, there are a lot of melee units. What will usually happen is that the Zerg sends his units into the Protoss then the Zerg player just has to click NP on his infestors and select the colossi. Due to the range, the stalkers would have a hard time trying to pick off the infestor so the colossi will remain in control of the Zerg player. This doesn't take into account using the other infestors to FG the zealots/stalkers etc... Essentially, the Protoss looses his power units, gets rooted so that they can't snipe the infestor and then his army gets demolished while the Zerg loses a much smaller amount in comparison. Of course, this doesn't consider ghosts/hts into the mix but with mech, you can still NP thors but they get a hit off I believe and the difference doesn't apply as much to tanks
Thoughts?

Edit: Day9 streaming DIII:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Day%5B9%5D
So how do you fight the protoss deathball now? I've never successfully fought a deathball without getting off a neural. Are we supposed to go back to corruptors to fight colossi? Corruptors are horrible units. BTW, I was just testing the nerfed fungal against an marine/medivac ball. Medivac healing works WAY better now on fungaled marines with combat shields. I expected a difference, but I was really surprised.
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I'm just not liking the thing they did with the audio... with the music fading and all when you do some action or whatever.

Thought my headphones were dying or something after the update...
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I'm just not liking the thing they did with the audio... with the music fading and all when you do some action or whatever.

Thought my headphones were dying or something after the update...
Is it intentional? I thought my game was having sound problems...

It's horrible.

edit: I believe it's a setting in options, "alert fade."
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Is it intentional? I thought my game was having sound problems...
yea:

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Most existing alert sounds are now reduced in volume when a new alert sound plays.
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This picture shows NP max range now. Stalkers and immortals standing right up against the colossus's feet are close enough to hit the infestor now. Good luck trying NP against a deathball that has protoss units stacked 3-4 rows deep in front of the colossi. We're going back to the dark days of buying corruptors every time we scout colossi.

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So you think you should be able to NP a colossus from out of range of the units and make it kill all the protoss's units without him being able to snipe the infester? Yeah that sounds fair
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Without him being able to snipe? It was still easy to snipe the infestors, but now you don't even need to snipe them, just a-move and they're in range.
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personally i dont see any need to lower NP range HT could already feedback at that range. and ghost can snipe and emp at longer range. Hell thermal lance colosi could hit them.

Its not even like you see heavy NP usage at the highest levels of play anyway sure you see it from time to time but its really hard to pull off, balancing around scrubs is foolish short sighted and hurts the game.
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Yeah the death ball is going to be so much harder to fight. Even with infestors w/o damn near perfect micro the death ball still had the advantage roaches are just such a mediocre unit. And Hydras aren't nearly good enough they are just to slow to reinforce with.
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