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I meant because it gives leverage to paid players, and, abiet successful bronze/silver play, makes people buy the game for serious winning.

I see a lot of people claiming marines and mules are OP. Please. Compared to Z and P, that is just a joke. Marines OP? Zerg kills 150 worth of marines in 3 sec. Protoss takes a bit longer with storms, but still. Tanks are a good unit, but not OP, so don't compensate for anything. Air units are the same. Thor is good for nothing. Or more accurately - it's no good for everything. Health not enough, easy to target, low DPS.

So tell me, what good is a mule vs anything other than another Terran? So ok, you don't need to expand. You're still ass-wipped in any battle, and the replay above proves it - that was one stable terran army, decimated in 10 sec by P, even if P doesn't micro.

How is that ugly green rolling zerg thing called?
If you only build marines and dont properly support them you deserve to loose them all to banelings, but with proper tank support thats very hard for a lower level player to achieve descisive baneling hits. marines have very high dps can kite very well can be healed by medivacs and are effective vs almost every type of enemy unit. mix in some maruaders to soak up banelings if your still strugling.

And the mule compared to chrono boost and particularly lavea inject is very forgiving, if you forget to inject on time you wasted an inject if you forget mules untill 150 energy you can just drop them all at once.

In late game mules mean you can sacrifice all but your gas workers to build a much much bigger 200/200 army as unlike your opponant you dont have to keep 70 food worth of workers.

I wouldnt say marines are OP just very good and versitile mules are a very effective crutch for bad players but at higher levels become less OP except in the late game.

That vid showed nothing except that if you a T builds viking and you dont actualy use colosus he looses, thats him failing to scout nothing to do with racial balance.
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StarCraft2 is very far from what I call a good RTS, and I'm deleting it. Gave it a chance, for far too long. RTS lover as I am can't stand this anymore. Way too arcade for my taste. Bye, guys.
Sorry to see you go. Its definitely more fast paced than other RTS.
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SC2 is extremely economy based as an RTS, if that's not your thing then so be it
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im pretty noob, but i just wanna say one thing:
marine tank then occasional thors seem to be the norm against zerg. the fact that marine tank is STILL the way to go against mass banelings ALONE should tell you something about them marines.

they are the only real solution to muta, i know, but bottomline marines *can* survive banelings if you're good enough

I know im not


PS: what is an arcade RTS?
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And the mule compared to chrono boost and particularly lavea inject is very forgiving, if you forget to inject on time you wasted an inject if you forget mules untill 150 energy you can just drop them all at once.

In late game mules mean you can sacrifice all but your gas workers to build a much much bigger 200/200 army as unlike your opponant you dont have to keep 70 food worth of workers.
I disagree. Mules are energy based, if you and the Terran are out of position and are unable to defend your mineral lines and thus go ahead and attack opponents mineral line (base trade scenario), the terran can not only lift off and save most of his structures, but IF you are able to warp in and beat back the terran, if he kills all your probes he can just mule his way back to a good economy and come back to win.


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That vid showed nothing except that if you a T builds viking and you dont actualy use colosus he looses, thats him failing to scout nothing to do with racial balance.
When I went to take my third, I had some sentries, stalkers and 3 colossus. He came with 4 siege tanks marines/rauders/ and 5 vikings I engaged but had to cancel my third, all my sentires + 2 colossus were killed when I pulled back from the sieged tanks. The thing is I had already switched to HTs (I generally only make 4 or 5 colossus then try to get 4-6 HTs in case of mass vikings)
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PS: what is an arcade RTS?
I think he was trying to describe how fast paced the game is.
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Anyone know where I can get this game decently cheap? I found the collectors edition for 79.99 off of some no name site and the regular for 45.99 .. but that's cheapest i've seen. I know regular goes for 39.99 sometimes but I can't find it
    
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I got my key for like $30 or $35 when ti first came out from Jago
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I think he was trying to describe how fast paced the game is.
thats the exciting/hard part of it though

if its not fast paced, it will shift towards just normal strat games

to me, starcraft is the easier dragon age origins but without the ability to STOP THE WORLD FROM SPINNING

about 1~2 months ago i was close to finishing DA the first time, and I found a little time to play SC ladder, at some point of the game I actually went "mother fuc can I pause and think for a moment?" in my mind
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Anyone have thoughts on this new wave reaper over hellion harass in early TvZ?

I've just started to use it a little and it seems to work best when you show your hellions early, Z overreacts with spines and sim city in the natural, and then send reapers up to the main with hellions to natural 10 seconds later.
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