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Played my first 1v1 in practice league, finally! TvZ, I picked terran. I plan on playing Protoss mainly but obviously have to learn it more, gonna stick to Terran for now because it's what I know from SP.

Totally murdered the poor guy, he had no idea what he was doing, kinda feel bad. Anyway, I used marine/marauder with a few tanks with siege mode to hold the rear.

Rendering a video now, will upload to youtube and you guys can critique. I didn't use any hotkeys (except to make units, I have some memorized from SP). They just don't feel right, I'll be trying to incorporate them as much as I can in future.

Also, moar tips for the maximum SC noob would be appreciated, otherwise I'll probably keep playing like this.

My SC2 username is Reflux, throw me a friend invite I'm feeling a bit cold and lonely.
Edited by Reflux - 11/8/11 at 3:46am
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Played my first 1v1 in practice league, finally! TvZ, I picked terran. I plan on playing Protoss mainly but obviously have to learn it more, gonna stick to Terran for now because it's what I know from SP.

Totally murdered the poor guy, he had no idea what he was doing, kinda feel bad. Anyway, I used marine/marauder with a few tanks with siege mode to hold the rear.

Rendering a video now, will upload to youtube and you guys can critique. I didn't use any hotkeys (except to make units, I have some memorized from SP). They just don't feel right, I'll be trying to incorporate them as much as I can in future.

Also, moar tips for the maximum SC noob would be appreciated, otherwise I'll probably keep playing like this.

My SC2 username is Reflux, throw me a friend invite I'm feeling a bit cold and lonely.
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Played my first 1v1 in practice league, finally! TvZ, I picked terran. I plan on playing Protoss mainly but obviously have to learn it more, gonna stick to Terran for now because it's what I know from SP.

Totally murdered the poor guy, he had no idea what he was doing, kinda feel bad. Anyway, I used marine/marauder with a few tanks with siege mode to hold the rear.

Rendering a video now, will upload to youtube and you guys can critique. I didn't use any hotkeys (except to make units, I have some memorized from SP). They just don't feel right, I'll be trying to incorporate them as much as I can in future.

Also, moar tips for the maximum SC noob would be appreciated, otherwise I'll probably keep playing like this.

My SC2 username is Reflux, throw me a friend invite I'm feeling a bit cold and lonely.
Remember to auto-join the "overclock.net" channel so we can see who's on.

Edit: Didnt see the tip question. I think something that helped me a lot was to expand when I push or when I have a contain set up.
Edited by HometownHero - 11/8/11 at 5:15am
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Edit: Didnt see the tip question. I think something that helped me a lot was to expand when I push or when I have a contain set up.
Thanks. And yes, I just lost to a zerg who had 4 bases and a rich mineral base when I was running on 2 regular bases, I had better unit composition but he was churning out waves of roaches about 30 at a time and baneling busted my base defense to poo.

Thanks though. Someone said I was going to 'lose, ALOT', I've lost twice in 8 games. The other loss was to a TvT, the guy just marine rushed me. Was pretty sad.

So far, feeling good, just need to up the ante. That guy was not a beginner at all, I could tell just by how good his macro was, probably a second account.

He used burrow, and I couldn't really counter it. He saw my starport and knew I wouldn't pick up any detectors, I did put a raven out at one point but they're very expensive. I made a late game transition into 2 thors and pure marine with my leftover tanks but I couldn't counter it at all, he rushed into my base and burrowed under, killed all my SCV's and I couldn't recover so I gg'd.

Any help on defending against cheesy play like that? What's the best unit to detect burrowed units? What's the best way to defend against mass units (what is the roaches hard counter? (my marine blob couldn't take them on even with combat shields))?
Edited by Reflux - 11/8/11 at 6:10am
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Thanks. And yes, I just lost to a zerg who had 4 bases and a rich mineral base when I was running on 2 regular bases, I had better unit composition but he was churning out waves of roaches about 30 at a time and baneling busted my base defense to poo.

Thanks though. Someone said I was going to 'lose, ALOT', I've lost twice in 8 games. The other loss was to a TvT, the guy just marine rushed me. Was pretty sad.

So far, feeling good, just need to up the ante. That guy was not a beginner at all, I could tell just by how good his macro was, probably a second account.

He used burrow, and I couldn't really counter it. He saw my starport and knew I wouldn't pick up any detectors, I did put a raven out at one point but they're very expensive. I made a late game transition into 2 thors and pure marine with my leftover tanks but I couldn't counter it at all, he rushed into my base and burrowed under, killed all my SCV's and I couldn't recover so I gg'd.

Any help on defending against cheesy play like that? What's the best unit to detect burrowed units? What's the best way to defend against mass units (what is the roaches hard counter? (my marine blob couldn't take them on even with combat shields))?
I probably wouldn't have switched to rine-thor. Roaches are hard countered by siege and marauders do well against them too. Between burrowed roaches, infestors, and mutas; I always put missile turrets at all of my bases. If they arent using a muta composition, just a missile turret at each expo will help against burrowed units. I usually stay away from ravens in tvz because they can get sniped so easily by mutas.

Best way to stop cheesy play is to keep your intel constantly updated. Intel means more to you the more you play because you will be able to detect what kind of style they are going to use based off what you see. Its best to get into a habit of constantly scouting now even if you dont know what to do with the intel just yet.
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I probably wouldn't have switched to rine-thor. Roaches are hard countered by siege and marauders do well against them too. Between burrowed roaches, infestors, and mutas; I always put missile turrets at all of my bases. If they arent using a muta composition, just a missile turret at each expo will help against burrowed units. I usually stay away from ravens in tvz because they can get sniped so easily by mutas.

Best way to stop cheesy play is to keep your intel constantly updated. Intel means more to you the more you play because you will be able to detect what kind of style they are going to use based off what you see. Its best to get into a habit of constantly scouting now even if you dont know what to do with the intel just yet.
Thanks that helps.

I have been scanning alot, I don't bother with mules too much, maybe 1 or 2 here or there but I scan for my scouting info, don't think this is a bad thing. I've played 2 games where I do a fast Reaper or two for scouting to take out some drones.

Here's my first game, I've been playing like this (pretty much) most of the time. Now I'm incorporating Medivacs into my marine/marauder though. Trying to use hotkeys on my buildings but not really doing so well with that. Always find myself resorting to mouse.


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I would recommend skipping the practice league entirely. It gives you a false sense of "time" and you don't experience the pressure from a real game.

Also as many of the casters recommend, keep making workers at all times and try to expo around 8 min and 12 min (make sure you're making units to protect your main/expos)


You should've made a depot at 10 supply, you should never have 300 mins that early in the game. If you made the depot on 10 supply it would finish at 11 supply and you could've kept making scvs.


Also as soon as the depot was finished you had more than enough for a barracks

Also at 7:48 you had very few scvs and a very small army. At 8 min you had 5 or 6 marines, at 7 minutes with a 4 gate I'd hit with that many stalkers, which eat rines (and i'm only gold)

10 depot
11 barracks
12 refinery
15 orbital (its very important cause those mules will pull you ahead)

Also vs zerg on real maps (not those practice ones with the rocks protecting you) you need to build your buildings at the ramp to prevent ling run ins

You were floating 1400 mins, when you have more mins then you can spend make more production (barracks) or expo if you need more gas

You had barracks not making anything and 1800 mins, always produce something, if not enough gas grab some rines.

So yeah even in bronze league you're going to take some beatings, and you didn't have your first reaper til 12 min and thats when you did your first scouting.

At the end of your game was 16 min, look at the army size difference at that time from these games (plus I was on 2-3 bases with 2-2 upgrades):


Edited by CravinR1 - 11/8/11 at 8:42am
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I would recommend skipping the practice league entirely. It gives you a false sense of "time" and you don't experience the pressure from a real game.

Also as many of the casters recommend, keep making workers at all times and try to expo around 8 min and 12 min (make sure you're making units to protect your main/expos)


You should've made a depot at 10 supply, you should never have 300 mins that early in the game. If you made the depot on 10 supply it would finish at 11 supply and you could've kept making scvs.


Also as soon as the depot was finished you had more than enough for a barracks

Also at 7:48 you had very few scvs and a very small army. At 8 min you had 5 or 6 marines, at 7 minutes with a 4 gate I'd hit with that many stalkers, which eat rines (and i'm only gold)

10 depot
11 barracks
12 refinery
15 orbital (its very important cause those mules will pull you ahead)

Also vs zerg on real maps (not those practice ones with the rocks protecting you) you need to build your buildings at the ramp to prevent ling run ins

You were floating 1400 mins, when you have more mins then you can spend make more production (barracks) or expo if you need more gas

You had barracks not making anything and 1800 mins, always produce something, if not enough gas grab some rines.

So yeah even in bronze league you're going to take some beatings, and you didn't have your first reaper til 12 min and thats when you did your first scouting.

At the end of your game was 16 min, look at the army size difference at that time from these games (plus I was on 2-3 bases with 2-2 upgrades):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nWZkX8U-ko
Thanks, It's alot to keep in mind. I'm struggling to incorporate everything here, I feel limited. It's probably just hotkeys that I need to get used to more.

And yeah, I know the practice league is not the same as the real thing, I wouldn't call it a bad idea to try and understand the game a bit before diving straight in.
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When I play terran I do well with a bio ball as long as you don't get stormed to heavy and do sutter step, the key is the stim the units in range and have at least 8 rax to reinforce
    
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