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Got my first draw today. PvP, he cannon rushed me. I tried to counter with a 4 gate, but could only afford 3. I placed these outside my base, away from the cannons. Turns out he was too quick and I could only get out a zealot, 2 sentries, and 3 stalkers. He killed off my base, I killed off his. We both had no spendable amount of minerals left and neither of us had the firepower to kill all the other buildings off. Interesting game, have any of you encountered a draw on the ladder?
    
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Originally Posted by SprayN'Pray View Post
Got my first draw today. PvP, he cannon rushed me. I tried to counter with a 4 gate, but could only afford 3. I placed these outside my base, away from the cannons. Turns out he was too quick and I could only get out a zealot, 2 sentries, and 3 stalkers. He killed off my base, I killed off his. We both had no spendable amount of minerals left and neither of us had the firepower to kill all the other buildings off. Interesting game, have any of you encountered a draw on the ladder?
instead of trying to hide gates and chrono zealots you should've made a ninja nexus
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instead of trying to hide gates and chrono zealots you should've made a ninja nexus
I'll try that the next time someone cannon rushes me.
    
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I'll try that the next time someone cannon rushes me.
Actually scout it and drop a forge and position canons to prevent him from encroaching on your nexus is the best defense or a stalker to snipe the probe dropping the canons, but thats hard to do if he's aggressive with his canons
Edited by CravinR1 - 11/8/11 at 8:11pm
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I'm trying to figure out his opponent's build here....

As far as I can tell:
6 overlord
7 extractor
6 evo chamber
Put 3 guys on gas
9 pool

lol.




My god, your macro is SOOOOO bad.

Here's what you need to do:

Practice maxing out against very easy AI - just build scvs, units and depots on 2 or 3 bases until you hit 200 food. Try to hit 200 food as quickly as possible without getting supply blocked or letting your minerals get over 300. Don't worry about microing your army, just work on building units and depots.


You say you "don't know where to go" after your opening build. Fact is that at your level it doesn't really matter where you go as long as you spend all your money. I suggest going bio in every matchup for a long time because it's easier - just build an MMM ball and A-move it around while you work on your macro.

If your money is getting high, throw down more barracks and depots, or maybe an expo.

When you see your minerals or gas getting over like 300, you should feel panicky and like you need to get rid of them asap.
Thanks, it really helps.

I'll try and keep my supply up and my money down. I'll get a MMM ball and try and spend excess on more buildings, tanks and reinforcing units.

I'll try vs AI again, maybe I'll record it.

Been watching alot of streams on twitch.tv over the last month. I really enjoyed watching SlayerS players but now they've moved into a team house and can't waste their connection on streaming. I was a bit disappointed really, now I'm trying to watch some Terran players but they're few and far between, most people streaming are toss or zerg.

Edit: Can't play, battle.net is down in my area :/
Edited by Reflux - 11/8/11 at 8:45pm
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not much this balance patch... they finally added blizzcon portrait and season 3 league achievements though.



General

-“Alert Fade” under Sound Options has been renamed to Game Volume During Alerts. Its tooltips have also been changed for clarification.

-The fade-in for game sound during alerts changed from .5 seconds to 2 seconds.

-Play-Time Schedule under Parental Controls now applies World of Warcraft settings to StarCraft II

Bug Fixes

-Fixed a truncation on specific resolution if the current and maximum supplies are 3 digits.

-Fixed an issue which prevented footprints from being edited in the Footprint Editor.

-Fixed an issue that caused the game to have missing icons and images on low end graphics cards.

PROTOSS

-Forge:
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 1 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 200/200
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 2 has been decreased to 225/225, down from 300/300
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 3 has been decreased to 300/300, down from 400/400

The cost of Upgrade Ground Weapons Level 2 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 175/175
The cost of Upgrade Ground Weapons Level 3 has been decreased to 200/200, down from 250/250

The cost of Upgrade Ground Armor Level 2 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 175/175
The cost of Upgrade Ground Armor Level 3 has been decreased to 200/200, down from 250/250

TERRAN

-Ghost: EMP radius has been decreased from 2 to 1.5

ZERG

-You get nothing, you lose, good day sir!
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PROTOSS

-Forge:
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 1 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 200/200
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 2 has been decreased to 225/225, down from 300/300
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 3 has been decreased to 300/300, down from 400/400

The cost of Upgrade Ground Weapons Level 2 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 175/175
The cost of Upgrade Ground Weapons Level 3 has been decreased to 200/200, down from 250/250

The cost of Upgrade Ground Armor Level 2 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 175/175
The cost of Upgrade Ground Armor Level 3 has been decreased to 200/200, down from 250/250


Wow, and I thought Protoss were already really good when they were upgraded.
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I'll try vs AI again, maybe I'll record it.
Don't "try vs AI again". Do it over and over and over until your macro isn't so bad. Maybe try vs AI again 50 times or so.

Once you can max out as fast as the pros, you can learn the tiniest bit of strategy and catapult to plat+ easily.
Edited by pelirrojo - 11/8/11 at 9:48pm
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Don't "try vs AI again". Do it over and over and over until your macro isn't so bad. Maybe try vs AI again 50 times or so.

Once you can max out as fast as the pros, you can learn the tiniest bit of strategy and catapult to plat+ easily.
I will keep practising. That's more what I'm using practice league for rather than playing vs AI, just so it's a bit more unpredictable I guess.

It's alot to keep in mind, again, I don't use those custom hotkeys yet. I can't get ultra pro before I even know what button to press. I keep messing up for factories and pressing BF instead of VF.

When I have resources up to say 1.1k which is happening sometimes, what do I do? I played against AI a few times and kept finding myself with large amounts again, I had 5 barracks, 2 with tech labs 1 reactor 2 regular ones.

Once I have all the standard buildings, what do I do? (Going barracks, factory, starport (sometimes 2 starports at once now, because people seem to ignore air units early on?)


I played a decent 1v1 where I actually managed to get a good read from a reaper scout and I walled off the main which worked like a charm by the way because he swept through with a 6pool after I scouted. Cleaned it up with m/m (didnt have a medivac at this time).

First time scouting has payed off really well, I'll definitely be doing it more.

Anyway, my reaper scout went through his base, I had scanned earlier to get an idea of what he was doing and saw roaches so I decided to get an extra medivac for my m/m. Then I saw no anti air! So I cancelled that medivac and transitioned into banshees, followed that up with cloaking to avoid his queens because I remembered queens have a decent anti air attack.

Waited for the banshees energy to get up a bit and went in with 2 banshees and another 2 queued, took down his expansion and then headed into the main, 3 queens came so I popped the cloak and he swore at me and quit.

Success!


I'm going to watch a few games on streams again for a while, because I couldn't find an opponent to play, it is 6:40AM though so I don't really blame people for not wanting to play.
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When I have resources up to say 1.1k which is happening sometimes, what do I do? I played against AI a few times and kept finding myself with large amounts again, I had 5 barracks, 2 with tech labs 1 reactor 2 regular ones.
Build a bunch of rax, build a bunch of depots, maybe a CC...

Don't be afraid to build like 15 barracks or something. As you play more, you'll get a feel for how many rax you can support on a given number of bases. For now, build more barracks than you think you should (and build depots like 2 or 3 at a time when your money starts getting high like this and you start building lots of rax).



One helpful tip: use camera hotkeys for your main and natural bases (set them with control+f2 and control+f3). After setting an scv to construct a building, hit one of your camera hotkeys, and shift click it back to the mineral patch. This will cause it to go straight back to mining after making the building.


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Once I have all the standard buildings, what do I do? (Going barracks, factory, starport (sometimes 2 starports at once now, because people seem to ignore air units early on?
It obviously depends on your strategy. But, imo, until your macro is solid, your only strategy should be to build moar barracks.

If you macro well, I bet you could get to ~gold league by building nothing but marines on 2 bases. Literally nothing but scvs, marines, depots and rax. And engineering bays and upgrades. Turtle on 2 bases, produce marines constantly, wait for 2/2, combat shields and stim finish. A-move all marines to enemy base. Congrats you're in gold league.

I know I sound like a broken record because I keep harping on this... But if you want to not suck at sc2, your macro needs to be better. It doesn't even matter what strategy you use if you're floating 1k+ minerals and gas. In that TvZ video you posted, with the units you had, assuming you didn't stutter step micro your bio ball, I could literally have beaten you with nothing but workers because I would have had so much more supply.

My macro sucked too at first. I fixed it by practicing maxing out against AI until I could macro without ever letting my money getting over ~300 even on 3 or 4 bases as zerg. Then I started gradually adding in unit micro as I became more and more comfortable. I stepped up from the easy AI to the multitasking trainer custom map eventually. Just what worked for me.


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again, I don't use those custom hotkeys yet
Another helpful tip... I rebound control and shift to the thumb buttons on my mouse. This makes it sooooo much easier to hit control f1-f4, and control or shift 7890.

I also rebound patrol to Q and hold position to w.

You'll figure out what works best for you.
Edited by pelirrojo - 11/8/11 at 11:40pm
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