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Thanks!

I'm going to practice some vAI more to get that macro better.

Thanks for the detection tip. Reconsidering my strat now.
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my copy came in and i'll be running it monday/tuesday. been watching force commentate on game and I think i'm set on playing zerg. how people play is totally different than how I always played brood wars, I think I used to just always mass carriers/ultras/BCs in broodwar and it seems speed and small balanced groups are much more fun to watch lol. will be a new playing style for me to try and actually get serious when playing now. i'm excited. Look forward to seeing some of you on.
    
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Hey guys can you give me some feedback on a PvT I just played, apart from my macro slipping towards the mid-ish to end game what else could I have improved on?

(btw this is the US servers, an I use pangolinman's account to play on US)

Pango_Alex132 vs Flipper [PvT].zip 52k .zip file
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Hey guys can you give me some feedback on a PvT I just played, apart from my macro slipping towards the mid-ish to end game what else could I have improved on?
(btw this is the US servers, an I use pangolinman's account to play on US)
Pango_Alex132 vs Flipper [PvT].zip 52k .zip file

Says the replay could not be open. Try uploading it again.
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Unzip it

I'm only gold but some questions I have are:

Why did you build at ramp vs terran (were they random?) and why did you drop a pylon when they saw your probe and why did u not cancel the pylon when it was immediately attacked

Why a pyloin at 21/26 food? Second gas at 26 supply seems late.

He was on 2 bases way before you, instead of dropping the pylon and getting your probe killed why didn't you put the probe in the natural to scout any expos, if you were going to lose a pylon why not one behind the mineral line of the natural to scout the expo timing? You had 35 probes on one base

He was starting his third when you were starting your second, also why not leave a obs outside the ramp to see him move out? And you didn't transfer enough workers at all to your natural.
Edited by CravinR1 - 11/13/11 at 8:16am
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I'm only gold but some questions I have are:

Why did you build at ramp vs terran (were they random?) and why did you drop a pylon when they saw your probe and why did u not cancel the pylon when it was immediately attacked

Scouted 3 rax, expected early push.... it never came >-> And I was Random btw

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Why a pylon at 21/26 food? Second gas at 26 supply seems late.

Isn't it normal to get a pylon at ~22? Can't remember now tongue.gif

edit- nvm that was a blunder.

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He was on 2 bases way before you, instead of dropping the pylon and getting your probe killed why didn't you put the probe in the natural to scout any expos, if you were going to lose a pylon why not one behind the mineral line of the natural to scout the expo timing?

Wanted to make him think I was cannon rushing, scaring him into pulling many SCV's off the line (he didnt really).
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You had 35 probes on one base
So when I had my expo(s) up I could transfer probes across

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He was starting his third when you were starting your second, also why not leave a obs outside the ramp to see him move out? And you didn't transfer enough workers at all to your natural.

Hmmm yeah gonna try that next time, thanks tongue.gif
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Hey guys can you give me some feedback on a PvT I just played, apart from my macro slipping towards the mid-ish to end game what else could I have improved on?
(btw this is the US servers, an I use pangolinman's account to play on US)
Pango_Alex132 vs Flipper [PvT].zip 52k .zip file

I've watched the replay and here's some general advice:

  • This pylon in his base was totally random. You don't even have your core down at this time. Terran didn't even had to attack it with SCVs as he'll get marines to kill it way before you can warp in anything. Basically you just thrown away 100 minerals there.
  • Rather than making useless pylons and running circles you should be scouting your opponent with your first probe. Particularly you want to see his gas timing (you didn't even look at his gases). No gas till 15 food means either gasless expand or 3 rax all-in. If you see a second depot in his base it's a gasless expand. Around 3:05 you want to leave his base as that's when the first marine pops out. You can then park your probe at his expansion and go up the ramp again around 4 minutes too see what units he has, possibly an add-on on barracks and whether or not he's making a bunker. If you see a marauder you'll know it's bio if there are only marines it's probably tech (if he took gas) and bunker means there's no sudden aggression so you can be a bit greedy for a while. In any case if there are no marauders you want to get an obs as soon as possible. Also if there are only few marines and no bunker you can poke with your first zealot stalker to pick some off and further scout him. And finally you should leave your probe (or if it dies send another one) at the exit from his natural to see when he's moving out.
  • You should get a solid opening and learn to execute it well. 4 gate robo is not a good opening by any means, unless you're going to all-in with it. You just can't afford to produce from that many structures on one base while making probes and pylons. I recommend 2 or 3 gate robo with fast observer as a safe choice.
  • Speaking about probes you should be making them constantly. You had pauses in probe production during just first few minutes of the game.
  • You generally should aim to expand before 6:30 (at the latest) unless you have confirmed an early aggresion with your probe. In the worst case you can cancel the expo if you see him attacking with you observer.
  • In the situation like in this game if you opponent fast expands you have to either all-in as soon as possible or expand. You did neither and that gave him pretty big advantage.
  • You should work on your mechanics and put down things on time. Your first pylon should go down at 0:48, but it goes down at 0:53. Then your all next buildings and tech are delayed as well. It doesn't seem like much of a difference, but your warpgate research is delayed 30 seconds, any 2 base timing would be late by at least a minute and you max out like 2 minutes later as all the little things add up.
  • Hallucination is pretty useless against terran.
  • You should have a general game plan. Cancelling bay and going HTs was ok, but it's good to have a plan for your whole game. Around 11 minutes you had no tech to deal with MMM push which could've come and you need to have +1/+1, chargelot archon or colossus at this point to be safe. Mid game archons are a safer choice than storm. An example good plan is: 2 gate robo -> expand -> twilight + forge asap -> charge, +1 armor, templar archives -> chargelot archon -> 3rd -> add another robo and bay and start pumping colossi.
  • Keep your HTs spread.
  • Commit if you know you can win. At like 21 minutes he had half of your army but you didn't commit to an attack.
  • Keep adding production structures after you're maxed. Even if you lose your whole army reinforcing from 20 gateways can still keep you in the game.
  • You still won lol, protoss op.


Hope that helps. smile.gif

Edit: Yeah, you should not wall-off against terran. It only may help against hellions. Against bio aggresion it puts you at a disadvantage, because you cannot get a good concave up your ramp, while terran can destroy your buildings from the bottom.
Edited by poroboszcz - 11/13/11 at 9:05am
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How come no one ever wants to 1v1 on OCN anymore?

What happened to OCN Fight Nights! Where like 12 of us lined up to play/obs
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How come no one ever wants to 1v1 on OCN anymore?
What happened to OCN Fight Nights! Where like 12 of us lined up to play/obs

That would be awesome thumb.gif. It would be easy to set up if we use the overclock.net in-game chat, or even Playhem if we wanted to get sophisticated.

I think that if we thought there was enough interest, we should start a new thread to notify people who don't frequent this one very often as its gotten pretty long.

Color me interested.
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How come no one ever wants to 1v1 on OCN anymore?
What happened to OCN Fight Nights! Where like 12 of us lined up to play/obs

I blame it on my busy life, and those achievements, gotta get them all + I just got my Harry Potter DVD collection yesterday lol tongue.gif

but those were fun, maybe I can post in OP a section with times for OCN get-togethers/events?

I think i'll be less busy after next Monday.
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