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I want to get out of Gold, and all of my friends keep telling me to watch pro Protoss players. Anyone know who I should follow, and where I can watch replays?
 
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justin.tv is where most the pro's stream.


I'd watch EGHuk, or Kiwikaki
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WhiteRa too.
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Whitera is very creative and uses "special tactics"

Watch Husky or Day9 also
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WhiteRa too.

but he lost to a 6 pool... tongue.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
all-in, I kid... he was pretty cool about it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTPGielrFz4&feature

I second Day9 and HuK all the way. GSL sometimes has some interesting Protoss players with unique play-styles too...
Edited by Sainesk - 11/15/11 at 3:45pm
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I've watched the replay and here's some general advice:
  • This pylon in his base was totally random. You don't even have your core down at this time. Terran didn't even had to attack it with SCVs as he'll get marines to kill it way before you can warp in anything. Basically you just thrown away 100 minerals there.
  • Rather than making useless pylons and running circles you should be scouting your opponent with your first probe. Particularly you want to see his gas timing (you didn't even look at his gases). No gas till 15 food means either gasless expand or 3 rax all-in. If you see a second depot in his base it's a gasless expand. Around 3:05 you want to leave his base as that's when the first marine pops out. You can then park your probe at his expansion and go up the ramp again around 4 minutes too see what units he has, possibly an add-on on barracks and whether or not he's making a bunker. If you see a marauder you'll know it's bio if there are only marines it's probably tech (if he took gas) and bunker means there's no sudden aggression so you can be a bit greedy for a while. In any case if there are no marauders you want to get an obs as soon as possible. Also if there are only few marines and no bunker you can poke with your first zealot stalker to pick some off and further scout him. And finally you should leave your probe (or if it dies send another one) at the exit from his natural to see when he's moving out.
  • You should get a solid opening and learn to execute it well. 4 gate robo is not a good opening by any means, unless you're going to all-in with it. You just can't afford to produce from that many structures on one base while making probes and pylons. I recommend 2 or 3 gate robo with fast observer as a safe choice.
  • Speaking about probes you should be making them constantly. You had pauses in probe production during just first few minutes of the game.
  • You generally should aim to expand before 6:30 (at the latest) unless you have confirmed an early aggresion with your probe. In the worst case you can cancel the expo if you see him attacking with you observer.
  • In the situation like in this game if you opponent fast expands you have to either all-in as soon as possible or expand. You did neither and that gave him pretty big advantage.
  • You should work on your mechanics and put down things on time. Your first pylon should go down at 0:48, but it goes down at 0:53. Then your all next buildings and tech are delayed as well. It doesn't seem like much of a difference, but your warpgate research is delayed 30 seconds, any 2 base timing would be late by at least a minute and you max out like 2 minutes later as all the little things add up.
  • Hallucination is pretty useless against terran.
  • You should have a general game plan. Cancelling bay and going HTs was ok, but it's good to have a plan for your whole game. Around 11 minutes you had no tech to deal with MMM push which could've come and you need to have +1/+1, chargelot archon or colossus at this point to be safe. Mid game archons are a safer choice than storm. An example good plan is: 2 gate robo -> expand -> twilight + forge asap -> charge, +1 armor, templar archives -> chargelot archon -> 3rd -> add another robo and bay and start pumping colossi.
  • Keep your HTs spread.
  • Commit if you know you can win. At like 21 minutes he had half of your army but you didn't commit to an attack.
  • Keep adding production structures after you're maxed. Even if you lose your whole army reinforcing from 20 gateways can still keep you in the game.
  • You still won lol, protoss op.
Hope that helps. smile.gif
Edit: Yeah, you should not wall-off against terran. It only may help against hellions. Against bio aggresion it puts you at a disadvantage, because you cannot get a good concave up your ramp, while terran can destroy your buildings from the bottom.


You sir need some rep. That was a well put together description for anyone lower than high masters. I play Zerg only and you helped me. Lol
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I want to get out of Gold, and all of my friends keep telling me to watch pro Protoss players. Anyone know who I should follow, and where I can watch replays?

Huk has excellent control, some say even top 3 tongue.gif.

I would also watch some top Koreans like Oz, MC, and Puzzle. Replay sites like sc2replayed.com and sc2-replays.net are good places to start. Also, you can watch pro players stream live via twitch.tv; Team Liquid has a list of people currently stream on the right hand side of their website.
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How come no one ever wants to 1v1 on OCN anymore?
What happened to OCN Fight Nights! Where like 12 of us lined up to play/obs
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That would be awesome thumb.gif. It would be easy to set up if we use the overclock.net in-game chat, or even Playhem if we wanted to get sophisticated.
I think that if we thought there was enough interest, we should start a new thread to notify people who don't frequent this one very often as its gotten pretty long.
Color me interested.
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I blame it on my busy life, and those achievements, gotta get them all + I just got my Harry Potter DVD collection yesterday lol tongue.gif
but those were fun, maybe I can post in OP a section with times for OCN get-togethers/events?
I think i'll be less busy after next Monday.

Everybody just needs to remember to check "Auto-Join Private Channels" in their options and make sure they're in the Overclock.net channel whenever they're on! With the influx of new players, I'd be good for em to play each other.
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Originally Posted by CravinR1 View Post

justin.tv is where most the pro's stream.
I'd watch EGHuk, or Kiwikaki
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Originally Posted by Fortunex View Post

WhiteRa too.
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Originally Posted by CravinR1 View Post

Whitera is very creative and uses "special tactics"
Watch Husky or Day9 also
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Originally Posted by Sainesk View Post

but he lost to a 6 pool... tongue.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
all-in, I kid... he was pretty cool about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTPGielrFz4&feature
I second Day9 and HuK all the way. GSL sometimes has some interesting Protoss players with unique play-styles too...
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Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post

Huk has excellent control, some say even top 3 tongue.gif.
I would also watch some top Koreans like Oz, MC, and Puzzle. Replay sites like sc2replayed.com and sc2-replays.net are good places to start. Also, you can watch pro players stream live via twitch.tv; Team Liquid has a list of people currently stream on the right hand side of their website.
Thanks guys!
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Everybody just needs to remember to check "Auto-Join Private Channels" in their options and make sure they're in the Overclock.net channel whenever they're on! With the influx of new players, I'd be good for em to play each other.
I'll be sure to get on the Overclock.net channel every time I log in.
 
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