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i agreed.

like even from watching pro games, I found that once the early game is gone, the Terran has close to no chance to win against zerg players that micro their mutas well (idra)

like in mid game when the muta count is higher than 10, its hard to defend a mineral line with 2 turrets, and the terran army ball will be too occupied guard the entrance of multiple bases that when they arrive, the mutas are gone.

and in late game its even worse, I've never seen Idra lost with corruptors into broodlords, forcing a few vikings and then transition into ultras.
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Congrats, good to see you're back. After one of the recent patches everyone's APM seems to be below 100 as Blizzard changed the way it's counted. Mine is in the 80's as well, even less in short games.
Thanks, glad to know at least some old members stuck around. Is anyone else who was here way back still visiting or even playing the game? lol.
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Yay, I missed you lol.
Grats, placement is just trolling me. (Matched against Plats/Diamonds constantly during league lock, win most games, here have gold tongue.gif)
lol, thanks. Maybe it's trolling you or maybe you are indeed a gold player, hehe. I dunno about my placement matches though. I mean I got some silver and gold players and managed my way out of some rather bad spots with some good tank placement(TvsT). That last PvsZ game was just bizzare, lol. 15 or so FE into forge for cannons into +1 and 2/3 gateway with zealots+sentries to start, lol. I think I killed 15 hatcheries or so to end it because he had 3k and was on 4 bases, so, lots of drones.
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Z for sure
They're OP vs T as is, and when HotS comes out it'll be worse
I'm only gold 1v1, and I can easily beat my platinum Terran friend using zerg
debatable. Koreans make TvsZ seem in favour of T even late game but really it depends on the players. Early game is in Terran's favor but late game becomes harder especially once BLs, etc... are out but most games end before that I believe.
    
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debatable. Koreans make TvsZ seem in favour of T even late game but really it depends on the players. Early game is in Terran's favor but late game becomes harder especially once BLs, etc... are out but most games end before that I believe.

this. i think the races are very very close balanced.
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I've lost 2 ZvTs out of 50 in the past 2 months.

Once was a 2 base turtle with Thors/hellions/siege, second was a hellion/rauder all in I wasn't prepared for


Other than that ZvT even vs higher ranked players is easy, I love when I'm z and see a T


And I'm primarily a Protoss player
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debatable. Koreans make TvsZ seem in favour of T even late game but really it depends on the players. Early game is in Terran's favor but late game becomes harder especially once BLs, etc... are out but most games end before that I believe.


Unless a Terran player knows to constantly harass a Zerg player, the Zerg should win every time. I think it's harder for younger Terrans to understand that they need to put on constant aggression to keep the Zerg from droning up, especially when it's so easy to turtle. So, at lower levels I think Zerg is much better off, but otherwise it's balanced fairly well. However, I think tvp still needs work in favor of terran.
Edited by HometownHero - 12/22/11 at 6:42am
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I played a game yesterday where he constantly hit me with tanks and marines and I killed him with Ling/banes into broods into ultras


Took my third out 2 or 3 times and was spliting his rines pretty good
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But I appealed, and they lifted the suspension now... fine i'll have to get the achievs in cheesy games in my real league now mad.gif

I was wondering why a bronze was taking me longer to beat than usual. I was like, "whoa, i actually have to sit up." when you defended a couple of my attacks. now i feel like a noob.

//

side note for the smurfing thing you guys were talking about, you can't get banned for smurfing on another account unless that account does not belong to you. for example, if i own 2 accounts in sc2 that are BOTH under my name, and i kept 1 in bronze while the other is in masters, that is within my right.

Smurfing simply means playing under an alias that you are not known by. Which is not illegal.

Playing on someone ELSES account is illegal. smurfing is a by-product because of that, but smurfing is not illegal.
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Honestly, I'd have to say that Terran has the advantage in the early to mid game TvZ. Terran has a few builds that can outright kill a zerg of executed properly such as 2 rax, 3 rax stim timing, proxy double starport, slayers marine/hellion, and the standard 2 base marine tank push. During this period of time zerg only has around 3 very high risk builds that can kill you which are the 1/2 base baneling bust and a roach bust. Late game Zerg has the advantage easily due to the larva mechanic paying off more than the mule mechanic. If a terran wants to have any chance of winning late game they need to use nuke harass. Dropping 3-5 nukes at different locations while dropping at one location near constantly will allow you to keep your expos from being busted and allow you to macro up.

I think that the way to play TvZ right now is to go ghost mech and rely on nuke harass while you get your upgrades and bases up. No zerg unit comp can handle a 200/200 ghost/mech army and id consider it way in the favor of terran if you max out with it.
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See, the discussion can be debated in so many directions it just gets old. I don't know why anyone even mentions balance. Every race has their time. Just let blizzard do their thing and move on. Lol
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Any plans for a KOTH in the near future? I haven't posted in this thread in a while but I'm a Terran recently promoted to Platinum last month. My normal SC2 buddy is bailing on me by going to India for the semester break. Let's get some games in. I'll try to remember to get in the OCN channel.
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