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Rank 12 masters player here
I think there is a misunderstanding in this thread.
Macro = keeping money spent while having strong worker production. Having good macro doesn't mean you can't do a strong timing push at 8 minutes before expanding. If you die to a 4gate because you fast expanded, you did not have good macro.
Cheese = a poor word that means different things to different players. The best definition is a build that would be easy to stop if there were no fog of war. This means a 4gate is not a cheese in pvp.

There is a difference between "good macro" and a "macro game" That isn't a misunderstanding you are talking about 2 completely different things.

if you FE or hide an expo and cant defend it then that is what i like to call an economic cheese you got greedy he saw it and punished you for it tongue.gif cheese is as you say something that if they scout it will fail, thus it means very different things on different maps and races but just about anything involving hidden bases and proxies can safely be classed under cheese. Not all cheese is bad though some of the most clever builds I've seen/used are cheese.
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If any of you ever make me read that much for one post again the world will be at its knees.

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Meh. I've held 4 gate warp prism while going 1 rax fe into tech pretty often. Just pull scvs and micro a bit and wait for a banshee or tank to get out, or a bunker to finish.

I find it difficult to believe. It's hard enough to hold when teching too fast on one base. Are you talking about 1 base 4 gate warp prism all-in or 1 gate FE into 4 gate warp prism?
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so what was everybody's favorite matches of the MLG?

I think my fave PvT was game 2 of Marineking vs PartinG - supplys so even throughout, awesome HT use/flanking, Marineking made the Colossus look like jokes etc.

but I also really enjoyed the TvZ, Jjakji vs July, haven't seen such aggressive zerg play in a while, I swear every time he saw a T unit, July was like chaaaaaaaaaarge! tongue.gif
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Last game of the Finals had some insane micro by MKP. Also, the last game of the Heart v. DRG series was nuts too. DRG wins with no income? Ridiculous.
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Just about all the games of both DRG and MKP were superb. I am very happy that MKP finally shook of his 2nd place stigma smile.gif


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Awwww I didnt get to see Jjakji vs July. mad.gif
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Koreans have some sort of magic when it comes to coming back from a disadvantage, especially the Zerg players. I seriously forced a cancel on a Zergs nat 3 times while getting my nat up and he still comes back so fast its like it never happened. I really don't understand how koreans are so good.

The funny part is the people I beat more often than Koreans are foreigners playing on Korea. I beat a Russian living in the US, a Swedish player, and another American player. They do not play anywhere near as good as the Koreans, though the Taiwanese seem to play similar.

and man TvP is crazy, I am getting owned so bad in TvP it's not even funny. Even with huge economy leads and sniping nexuses the Protoss unit comp is rediculous, especially this mass zealot crap. I really hate Zealots, I honestly would predict a nerf in the future, specifically for terran.
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I had a 2's team that was something like 80-10 last season (he was rank 1 masters and used to be in GM). We both played random and my favorite build was with protoss terran and a shared entrance. The terran goes 3rax marines and bunker defends the entrance while protoss goes 1 base double colossus. Terran does a big gas feed as the the robo's finish so protoss will have 600 gas for 2x colossus and thermal lance. Before 9 minutes the push is ~30 marines with combat shield and 4x ranged colossus. That build has brought grown men to tears.

Ha, thats the same build Cravin recommended. Honestly tried it with a bad 2s partner, didn't think about trying it with my good 2s partner. I bet it will work a lot better now.

I've been watching Day9 noobie tuesdays. He's got some really good stuff in there. I just watched the one about perfecting a build. I think it will help me a lot to pick a build and practice against and easy computer just to get it down.
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Koreans have some sort of magic when it comes to coming back from a disadvantage, especially the Zerg players. I seriously forced a cancel on a Zergs nat 3 times while getting my nat up and he still comes back so fast its like it never happened. I really don't understand how koreans are so good.
The funny part is the people I beat more often than Koreans are foreigners playing on Korea. I beat a Russian living in the US, a Swedish player, and another American player. They do not play anywhere near as good as the Koreans, though the Taiwanese seem to play similar.
and man TvP is crazy, I am getting owned so bad in TvP it's not even funny. Even with huge economy leads and sniping nexuses the Protoss unit comp is rediculous, especially this mass zealot crap. I really hate Zealots, I honestly would predict a nerf in the future, specifically for terran.

Amazing. I want to rub elbows with these people.
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