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This is the all in I've been doing to toss on korea with pretty high success rates.

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Though the last few games they nexus first so I built a bunker behind the nexus while it was warping..... its funny how most protoss players never feel they have to mimic Zergs actions sometimes like scouting. Lots of free wins with reapers in those bunkers smile.gif.
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Why don't you just learn standard play instead of relying on gimmicky strats? This opening is not safe and thor push should be crushed by a 1 gate expo by any protoss that knows what he's doing. The only reason this game was close is because your opponent didn't back off after seeing no expo and engaged in pretty terrible position on the ramp.
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Has there been any good Funday Mondays lately? haven't been keeping up with Day9 lately though I could certainly use it. Love me some Hydralisk and worker or Mothership and invisible worker all ins and such... tongue.gif
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Why don't you just learn standard play instead of relying on gimmicky strats? This opening is not safe and thor push should be crushed by a 1 gate expo by any protoss that knows what he's doing. The only reason this game was close is because your opponent didn't back off after seeing no expo and engaged in pretty terrible position on the ramp.

we've covered this ground. lol

he thinks your op
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Has there been any good Funday Mondays lately? haven't been keeping up with Day9 lately though I could certainly use it. Love me some Hydralisk and worker or Mothership and invisible worker all ins and such... tongue.gif

Well the last one was to use Spine Crawlers as your main offensive weapon to attack your opponents base... some pretty funny games and if I recall Day[9] was also very funny as always smile.gif


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This is the all in I've been doing to toss on korea with pretty high success rates.
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Though the last few games they nexus first so I built a bunker behind the nexus while it was warping..... its funny how most protoss players never feel they have to mimic Zergs actions sometimes like scouting. Lots of free wins with reapers in those bunkers smile.gif.

I think you got lucky he was doing a FE into 4gate (with likely intention to take a 3rd shortly after) instead of 3gate robo or an 8 gate all-in. If he did a standard robo build would have been much more difficult. You guys look pretty high level. I'm only around rank 15 masters on NA (primarily as protoss).
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Standard wont get you far as terran right now. Terran's strongest in the early to mid game and Doom is playing smart by capitalizing on the fact that Terran has many 1 base build's and can easily deny scouting with wall ins. TvP i've been going with a 1 base 3 rax combat shields +1 timing attack into expansion. From what I've learned so far this build will either straight up kill your opponent if hes trying to tech too hard, or it will do significant damage and keep the game low econ and low tech.

TvZ I'm thinking about going for a proxy rax or ebay to deny hatch first into a 1 base hellion/tank contain as I expand behind it.
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Standard wont get you far as terran right now. Terran's strongest in the early to mid game and Doom is playing smart by capitalizing on the fact that Terran has many 1 base build's and can easily deny scouting with wall ins. TvP i've been going with a 1 base 3 rax combat shields +1 timing attack into expansion. From what I've learned so far this build will either straight up kill your opponent if hes trying to tech too hard, or it will do significant damage and keep the game low econ and low tech.
TvZ I'm thinking about going for a proxy rax or ebay to deny hatch first into a 1 base hellion/tank contain as I expand behind it.

I'm just a Plat Zerg, but I don't understand why more terrans don't ebay block. It's SO annoying, and denies at least 1 minute of that hatch going down. Especially since most Zergs will try to go hatch first and only throw down the spawning pool after they see the ebay.
    
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I think you got lucky he was doing a FE into 4gate (with likely intention to take a 3rd shortly after) instead of 3gate robo or an 8 gate all-in. If he did a standard robo build would have been much more difficult. You guys look pretty high level. I'm only around rank 15 masters on NA (primarily as protoss).

I agree its MUCH harder, but generally if its only 1-2 immortals I can still deal with it. I've beat quite a lot of immortal guys too, though its much much closer.

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Why don't you just learn standard play instead of relying on gimmicky strats? This opening is not safe and thor push should be crushed by a 1 gate expo by any protoss that knows what he's doing. The only reason this game was close is because your opponent didn't back off after seeing no expo and engaged in pretty terrible position on the ramp.

I've tried the standard game enough to know that if I don't win by that mid-game the chances of me winning are almost non-existent. I do believe if I could double my APM I could win the match up but that would be very difficult and rather than doing that ( which I may not even be able to do ), I will just abuse strong timings and terrans advantages. I will occasionally play standard, or when a reaper opener doesn't kill of a nexus first build I will transition into a normal game ect. Not even the pros can win the late game vs Protoss according to stats, and they have the APM required to do it in theory. Even if Terran does get an advantage at the mid-game the late-game Protoss army can still easily come back once that magic death ball of the right units is out ( zealotstalkertemplarcolossusarchon ). It's quite honestly ridiculous IMO. Isn't playing to win my real goal? I think so, and that's what I plan on doing.

I think Terran is a race that is the worst when playing entirely predictable, this build is not that predictable, and I do my best to hide any evidence of what I'm doing!!

Also I've beat 1gate FE's too, or protoss armies that did not lose an army badly at the ramp. I still need MORE time to give my final thoughts on it but so far so good.

+1 Armor helps vs Zealots quite a lot , so that's a key to the build since Zealots are such high DPS.
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( zealotstalkertemplarcolossusarchon ). It's quite honestly ridiculous IMO

Ya its so "ridiculous" that Protoss have to tech 2 of their 3 trees to beat Terran late game after having the disadvantage early/mid games...

Again I am only gold, but seriously thats a lot of tech buildings we have to do just to get that magic ball as you call it. The only thing were missing is the starport/fusion core.
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