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Our game play is to limited by people thinking its a rule that we must play for the macro game. These koreans have it licked. Win or lose. No matter how much i wanna act like im a good sport i wanna win. I also dont have the time to practice. So forget playing "fair"

Naniwa has the right mindset; pure results. Obviously its fun to watch players get into a macro game with tons of multitasking and high tech units. When it comes down to it though, if you just want to win, then use a build that directly counters what your opponent does. "cheese" is just a word the lazy use for not scouting correctly.

Played a zerg the other day who took 2 expos at basically the same time when I went 1 rax fe. He didnt take a gas so I just kept rallying hellions to his base and he told me to go back to playing monobattles... rolleyes.gif
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It can be frustrating being the guy losing but i agree totally. Counter and win.
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No, but because of his ( MVP's ) standard play he pretty much dropped off the radar, esp due to TvP. The stuff just doesn't work anymore, at least not that effectively. Koreans make it a point to play around the mid-game and the more you watch the more you will see it's not just me trying to avoid it, its the Koreans as well. Sure they don't always 1 base but they do lots of 1-2 base all ins because like me, they know when they have the best shot at winning. It's not even about playing standard, its about playing to your strengths. I play standard in TvT and TvZ, because in those match ups even at my level the match ups are very very closely balanced, even in terms of skill. Jinro had the same thing happen to him, his standard trying to macro TvP pretty much became his undoing.
Also I want you to know a large majority of players including Flash started off as cheesers and eventually became better and better over time, I see no reason why me doing an all in, in one match up will be any different. As I said I'm not against playing standard if I think it will get me a win or an advantage, or its a transition. Right now I just don't feel like playing standard as Terran vs Protoss is logical.

Fair enough, but I don't think it will fix your TvP problems. As your other matchups will get better and better your TvP will always hold you back if you only rely on 1 base all-ins. Just my opinion.

Aslo MVP dropping off the radar? Sick win rate on EU and NA ladders, another code S spot, 68% tournament win rate in TvP - doesn't look that bad imo. Also MKP, MMA and aLive all have over 70% win rate in TvP and I more often see them going for a standard play than doing 1 base all-in's, let alone thor rushes which I haven't seen since like season 2.
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Scouting is the key to countering and countering is the key to winning. Long games usually develop when both players are making the right units and know how to micro and macro manage. I don't think professionals play longer games just to make for a better show.
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Naniwa has the right mindset; pure results. Obviously its fun to watch players get into a macro game with tons of multitasking and high tech units. When it comes down to it though, if you just want to win, then use a build that directly counters what your opponent does. "cheese" is just a word the lazy use for not scouting correctly.
Played a zerg the other day who took 2 expos at basically the same time when I went 1 rax fe. He didnt take a gas so I just kept rallying hellions to his base and he told me to go back to playing monobattles... rolleyes.gif

All pros have this mindset. They make a liveing out of winning games. The thing is though that there is no counter to standard play and that's why it's a standard. There are "counters" to DT rush, roach bust or 1/1/1, but there aren't any to 1 rax expand into 3 rax factory stargate or 1 gate FE into 3 gate robo and reactive play.
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Anyone else want to see more of MarineKing?
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Fair enough, but I don't think it will fix your TvP problems. As your other matchups will get better and better your TvP will always hold you back if you only rely on 1 base all-ins. Just my opinion.
Aslo MVP dropping off the radar? Sick win rate on EU and NA ladders, another code S spot, 68% tournament win rate in TvP - doesn't look that bad imo. Also MKP, MMA and aLive all have over 70% win rate in TvP and I more often see them going for a standard play than doing 1 base all-in's, let alone thor rushes which I haven't seen since like season 2.

But again I'm not talking about pro level. If I had 300 APM I could play Terran standard and make it work, which is what they are able to do sometimes. I'm also not saying I will only do all ins.
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All pros have this mindset. They make a liveing out of winning games. The thing is though that there is no counter to standard play and that's why it's a standard. There are "counters" to DT rush, roach bust or 1/1/1, but there aren't any to 1 rax expand into 3 rax factory stargate or 1 gate FE into 3 gate robo and reactive play.

Obviously pros are results oriented because better results equal better paychecks. I guess I'm just surprised that there arent more players like Naniwa or Heart.
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But again I'm not talking about pro level. If I had 300 APM I could play Terran standard and make it work, which is what they are able to do sometimes. I'm also not saying I will only do all ins.

Have you tried this opener? Lastshadow 6-rax opener
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Obviously pros are results oriented because better results equal better paychecks. I guess I'm just surprised that there arent more players like Naniwa or Heart.
Have you tried this opener? Lastshadow 6-rax opener

Yep, and 12-14 rax openers vs Toss, which aren't bad early but make you get really slow tech for an ok mid-game at best.
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