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I actually have to agree with Mwarren to some extent that mechanics is the main limiting factor in SC2. I don't agree that strategy is non-existent, but you need a good mechanics to execute the strategy. On the other hand you don't need a good strategy to place high with good mechanics. Is mass queens a good strategy? I'd argue, yet Destiny made diamond with it. You'd think that casters watching and analysing so many games would get some decent understanding of the game, yet there are very few in masters and above, because they can't translate this knowledge into their play with poor mechanics.

From my experience I feel like I lose much more games because of my mechanics than because of strategy. Eg. I misplace a forcefield, don't spot a drop on time, my macro slips while there's an aggression, I fail to defend multi-pronged attacks well enough, my timing is off, I miss some scouting information because I fail to control my observer being busy doing something else, I misclick, mispress, misselect etc. I rarely have games when I think to myself: "What a great strategy by my opponent. I couldn't have won that even with the greatest control and perfect macro".

A related thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327898
Edited by poroboszcz - 4/22/12 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by poroboszcz View Post

I actually have to agree with Mwarren to some extent that mechanics is the main limiting factor in SC2. I don't agree that strategy is non-existent, but you need a good mechanics to execute the strategy. On the other hand you don't need a good strategy to place high with good mechanics. Is mass queens a good strategy? I'd argue, yet Destiny made diamond with it. You'd think that casters watching and analysing so many games would get some decent understanding of the game, yet there are very few in masters and above, because they can't translate this knowledge into their play with poor mechanics.
From my experience I feel like I lose much more games because of my mechanics than because of strategy. Eg. I misplace a forcefield, don't spot a drop on time, my macro slips while there's an aggression, I fail to defend multi-pronged attacks well enough, my timing is off, I miss some scouting information because I fail to control my observer being busy doing something else, I misclick, mispress, misselect etc. I rarely have games when I think to myself: "What a great strategy by my opponent. I couldn't have won that even with the greatest control and perfect macro".
A related thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327898

Ditto. I almost never lose anymore due to a superior strategy being used against me. I'd say at least 95% of my losses were due to my mechanics and not strategy. TvZ it can come down to not splitting my marines and target firing banelings with my tanks, or going fast 3 OC but not getting out 3 base production fast enough so I end up floating too much and letting the zerg outmacro me, tvp and tvt its the same thing. Just not getting off key emps, getting out macroed, etc.
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of the last 8 games I played 6 have been mirror matches, mostly TvT. Yay tank wars... mad.gif I wonder if a Marauder Viking heavy force with some Marines and Medivacs would do well, turtle games aren't fun.
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Well I know I win games via tactics a large portion of the time. I think that mechanics are important as heck, but good tactics I would say are nearly as important. White-ra, special tactics.. dude his APM sucks, and he can beat some of the best. The data from that thread just shows not only do koreans have the tactics, they also have the APM. The reason they win isn't one or the other, it's both. If you have two people that make = choices, but one has better mechanics, it's pretty obvious the mechanical advantage player will probably win. But if you have = mechanics and one person has a better strategy, it's the same.

That and I've played PLENTY of people with far better mechanics than me and won.
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If you want more strategy and less mechanics, play protoss. Not trying to troll.
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i think only the non-real time strat games are true strat games because you are allow to think forever and your plan is really the only thing that matters.
when time is a highly limiting factor, the focus of the game shifts dramatically
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Your diamond avatar pic sure as hell fooled me

well that´s my goal.. diamond in this season..
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I got demoted in Korea, Platinum again. Arg. mad.gif
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I got demoted in Korea, Platinum again. Arg. mad.gif

I thought you had it going pretty well, whatever happened?
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