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I saw some Terrans complaining about some 10 second change, I totally panicked that the rax was getting another build time nerf, then saw it's observer -10 second production time being tested redface.gif

As a R player I think extra starting Queen energy would be too strong, apart from other things, it would make muta, queen, spine build a huge pain to deal with (especially for Protoss). I'd prefer the overlord speed change.
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I saw some Terrans complaining about some 10 second change, I totally panicked that the rax was getting another build time nerf, then saw it's observer -10 second production time being tested redface.gif
As a R player I think extra starting Queen energy would be too strong, apart from other things, it would make muta, queen, spine build a huge pain to deal with (especially for Protoss). I'd prefer the overlord speed change.

I agree. From a Toss standpoint the energy is going to be a pain in my backside. But I don't think the Obs time will really do anything significant to the meta game in any way that I can currently think of.
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I saw some Terrans complaining about some 10 second change, I totally panicked that the rax was getting another build time nerf, then saw it's observer -10 second production time being tested redface.gif
As a R player I think extra starting Queen energy would be too strong, apart from other things, it would make muta, queen, spine build a huge pain to deal with (especially for Protoss). I'd prefer the overlord speed change.

Blizz already dropped the energy buff and increased the Queen's ground range by 2.
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I think the Queen buff is perfect. It fixes earlygame ZvZ with the extra transfuse (now there's less variance between 14/14 and 15 hatch openers) and pushes back forward pylons in ZvP, which is totally ridiculous in the fact that the Protoss can reinforce faster than the Zerg IN THE ZERG'S OWN BASE. I'm not sure about ZvT though. It probably will indeed help with early MM all-in's, but it seems a tad overpowered once the creep REALLY starts to get going around the 9 minute mark.
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As he said the energy buff is gone ( good riddance ), and now the queen has 2 more range. That is just as bogus as the starting energy if you ask me. Queens now have the same range as marines, hellions, sentries, and more than roach, reapers, archons, ect.

Talk about adding stuff that isn't needed. I just played the patch and the overlord speed is already a nice and fair buff, I don't see anything else being necessary.

I'm actually quite worried about that observer time reduction as well. As many of you know TvP is a pain right now, less time the robo bay is taken up is bad news for Terran even if it's only 10 seconds here and there. Also hurts banshee builds, but I can live with that.
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There is no reason for protoss not to get out one fast observer to be safe against banshees now. I love banshees too...

Also, Blizzard's latest on TvP balance. They must not watch GSL?
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You terrans whine alot. tongue.gif

*puts on flame suit*

I dont remember ever whining about my infestors getting the nerf hammer. Or about any nerf zerg has gotten or buff the other races get.
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...or buff the other races get.

Buff + Terran? oh yea, that less than 20% increased movement speed of a seeker missile sure comes in handy... wink.gif
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Almost every non-standard strategy against zerg is significantly crippled with the overlord speed buff. The +25 queen energy is not a more significant buff.

I agree with Blizzard in saying tvp is balanced as-is. Terran just has to do damage or stay up a base from minutes 8 - 15. In pvz protoss has to do damage or stay on equal bases from minutes 9-12. PvZ I prefer to FFE into a strong 5gate +1 push before 9 minutes. TvP I prefer staying a base up with more passive play. My favorite games in all of sc2 are when the protoss scouts I have a fast 3rd, he responds by taking a 3rd, and I take a 4th and 5th while going 12rax marines, 5starport banshee. Usually he responds to my fast 3rd with 2-base colossus/gateway all-in though.
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You terrans whine alot. tongue.gif
*puts on flame suit*
I dont remember ever whining about my infestors getting the nerf hammer. Or about any nerf zerg has gotten or buff the other races get.

What infestor nerfs ? NP?

Maybe it's because you've been getting buffed more than nerfed for the past 2 years. Every patch is basically "How can we nerf Terran this time?". Also it's not whining when its something completely bogus like making queens marine range, that's a straight up joke.
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