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I didn't contradict myself it all. Its completely possible to make a game balanced around 3 different races they would just have to operate slightly different. For example, one race can rely on technology (protoss) meaning that they need less units/less of an army to deal with a race that relys on brute force (Terran) which would make the gameplay diverse but would also keep it balanced. It's perfecly reasonable to assume that its possible to make a game that has different races and "mechanics" balanced. It would just require a lot of thought, planning, and testing. I actually consider SC2 to be pretty stale when it comes the diversity of the races. Sure, Terran can drop mules and Protoss can speed up cool down times but everything is extremely linear when it comes to armys and unit X beating Y. There is no "well X can be Y if the player gets the insertupgradehere for X" that allows the thor to go into transform mode and be an air unit letting mech players deal with air effectively, or giving units a few upgrade paths instead of the cookie cutter 1 or 2 upgrades for most units.

Siege tanks could have an artillery mode that increases their supply by 3 but increases their range by 12, a long with having other possibly upgrades. Each unit could have a set of possible upgrades, but only one upgrade can be obtained per unit type. Blizzard could balance out all of the upgrades so that all of the units are balanced straight up and with their respective upgrade vs each other, but make it come down to what unit comp, strategy, and tech/upgraades the player gets vs having one unit completely hard counter another one or having one race stronger at a certain point in the game.

Why not give medivacs an ability called parachute that allows them to toss out marines and have them glide in the air for a small amount of time, making marine/medivac viable against raw broodlord or hellion unit compositions but also requiring good mechanical ability and timing (getting the upgrade at the right time). To me, these kind of things would make SC2 an amazing spectator game, as of right now I'm bored to tears with how straight forward the game is. Which is also one of the main reasons why I'm working on my own RTS in the Galaxy editor (two RTS games to be exact, ones almost in ALPHA stage).
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I really don't know how you take anything I said as bashing Zergs or even near offensive. All I did was say the queen range was dumb, which it is.
Also you entire point about Z nerfs is missing my point. There are 20x more Terran nerfs, and 20x more Zerg buffs. Protoss has had a pretty mixed bag though. I was only saying its annoying.

Well, i guess there is no way to ever get you to understand it then. I guess my point is if anyone gets a buff other than terran you're going to complain. Always, or at least that has been your track record. Lol. Dont take me wrong i dont take it personal. Lol im just pointing out how negative you seem.

Bias even.

You and hometownhero.
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are they buffing queen's range?

I need to read the update log somewhere when i get the time

I think i know this affects heavily though, would be reaper rushes

not that i will ever use reapers you know lol
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Originally Posted by HarrisLam View Post

are they buffing queen's range?
They're testing increased queen ground range...

Dully posted this pic over on the Bliz forums:
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I would laugh if the animation change they're planning if they do increase it is an infested terran riding on the back of the queen shooting everything tongue.gif
Edited by Sainesk - 5/5/12 at 9:29am
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Well, i guess there is no way to ever get you to understand it then. I guess my point is if anyone gets a buff other than terran you're going to complain. Always, or at least that has been your track record. Lol. Dont take me wrong i dont take it personal. Lol im just pointing out how negative you seem.
Bias even.
You and hometownhero.

Why wouldn't I be negative? A lot of the changes I don't think were necessary. I complain about things that affect Terran because I get the Terran point of view of things, which is why I generally cannot comment on things that don't affect Terran match ups. That and I think most of the changes that Terran has received have been because of things only the Terran pros can really take advantage of to the point it may be slightly overpowered, so all the lesser Terrans get the shaft in the process.

That and a lot of changes I happen to agree with. You can look at any patch note date and you will see some of the changes I will agree with, even if it doesn't benefit me. Even this time I said I like the overlord change. Why? Because I feel Zerg needs it, I happen to look at things as objectively as I can.

With the observer build time I gave a pro and a con to the change for TvP. I said that on one hand while it makes more free robo time and means more colossus and immortals, it does help against banshee builds. I personally always thought that banshee builds against Protoss were a little too powerful, the fact that you always need to be ready or sometimes you can just build order loss. Still, just because one side of it is an OK part, that doesn't mean the part where they have MORE robobay units out is something that was needed in return.

So if anything my track record is nothing more than a Terran point of view, but a Terran point of view who is sometimes OK with Terran nerfs as long as they are justified. The Hellion BF damage reduction? You didn't hear a complaint from me, BFH was bogus.

and yeah look at the above picture...... who actually thinks the queen needs marine range? Seriously?
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LOL@ that pic

that buff looks more ridiculous than that nerf about reaper speed getting thrown to factory
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What are they trying to do to the Queen? From what I understand its to stabilize ZvZ ?

Shouldnt they be worried about something else? Like... I don't know... PvZ and TvP?
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What are they trying to do to the Queen? From what I understand its to stabilize ZvZ ?
Shouldnt they be worried about something else? Like... I don't know... PvZ and TvP?

I don't know, did they even give a reason for such a change? They changed queen energy and did this, so I don't think it has a anything to do with ZvZ as faster creep never had anything to do with it.

The main question is exactly that, what the heck are they doing, and why? It's a pointless change and it will be broken IMO. Mass queens, it will happen.
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Well, i guess there is no way to ever get you to understand it then. I guess my point is if anyone gets a buff other than terran you're going to complain. Always, or at least that has been your track record. Lol. Dont take me wrong i dont take it personal. Lol im just pointing out how negative you seem.
Bias even.
You and hometownhero.

Sometimes I think the frustration can bleed into bias. I don't blindly bash patch changes just because they dont buff terran or buff the other races, but its getting to the point where the vast majority of pros can identify an obvious imbalance in TvP and Blizzard doesn't seem to think that it's worthy of attention. QXC is an excellent example because he writes well and has an excellent understanding of the game (QXC's Blog Posts). It frustrates me to see patch after patch go by with glaring imbalances not being addressed.
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I don't know, did they even give a reason for such a change? They changed queen energy and did this, so I don't think it has a anything to do with ZvZ as faster creep never had anything to do with it.
The main question is exactly that, what the heck are they doing, and why? It's a pointless change and it will be broken IMO. Mass queens, it will happen.

The fact that they dont give reasoning behind the changes and merely explain what the changes will do is insulting, really. People are always in an uproar about casters making too many mistakes because they arent high level players, I dont think David Kim is GM... Also, mass queen got mentioned on SoTG the other day as a viable strategy mad.gif.
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David Kim has been grand masters a bunch of seasons, not sure about anymore.
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