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Yeah. I played Toss for a year and was always in the highest league without knowing ANYTHING.

I didnt macro properly, have good expansion timings, have good micro, have any game sense. I never lost PvT, even a year and half ago when it was 'imbalanced'. It's so easy to hold any terran agression with 1 gate expand and then you can do ANYTHING. Double robo with collosus into third base with hts... like, the only hard part is splitting units to defend drops in midgame and thats it. The rest is faceroll easy.

Zerg and Terran require so much more of everything its almost as if protoss players arent even playing the same game. Why can a Z/T offrace as P and be AS HIGHLY RATED OR MORE and when a P offraces they tank a league at least?

I'm not saying it's imbalanced at the high level, i'm just saying its so much easier to play P that this causes imbalanced at levels of hugely imperfect play (under GM) WHICH IS 99.9% OF THE PLAYERBASE
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Zerg and Terran require so much more of everything its almost as if protoss players arent even playing the same game. Why can a Z/T offrace as P and be AS HIGHLY RATED OR MORE and when a P offraces they tank a league at least?

I play zerg at a higher level than protoss and I've played at least as much protoss. It's hard to believe you are being serious.
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I play zerg at a higher level than protoss and I've played at least as much protoss. It's hard to believe you are being serious.

He has to serious. 1 gate FE into anything with bad macro, micro and no game sense guarantees never loosing PvT.
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He is at least serious for him. There was a good thread on reddit about random players best and worst races, and Protoss was majority of the best, with Terran majority of the worst. Obviously its not that black and white but I think there is a lot of really silly things about the way Protoss was designed.

I'm still itching for that Colossus removal for the Reaver, since everyone thinks the Colossus is a dumb scrubby unit pretty much.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4926623691
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Pssshhh they never get all-in'ed and crippled tongue.gif

What do you mean?

Meh I had a crap game on there.

I scouted no gas + reactor on rax. Quick expo? So I go 1 gate expo.
Nope, awhile later as my expo finishes I get hit by a 3 rax marauder w/conc. shells + marines + scvs all-in.

I must scout less tongue.gif


I held it off, but only to die later on due to a crap eco and less units.
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Yeah. I played Toss for a year and was always in the highest league without knowing ANYTHING.

I didnt macro properly, have good expansion timings, have good micro, have any game sense. I never lost PvT, even a year and half ago when it was 'imbalanced'. It's so easy to hold any terran agression with 1 gate expand and then you can do ANYTHING. Double robo with collosus into third base with hts... like, the only hard part is splitting units to defend drops in midgame and thats it. The rest is faceroll easy.

Zerg and Terran require so much more of everything its almost as if protoss players arent even playing the same game. Why can a Z/T offrace as P and be AS HIGHLY RATED OR MORE and when a P offraces they tank a league at least?

I'm not saying it's imbalanced at the high level, i'm just saying its so much easier to play P that this causes imbalanced at levels of hugely imperfect play (under GM) WHICH IS 99.9% OF THE PLAYERBASE

Lol no, do people not aggro you at all? Because then it should be easy. Zerg early aggro is like broken.

Also my friend is masters for Protoss, switched to Terran and got a little bit higher in masters, then switched to Zerg and got into high diamond.
I started with plat Terran, switched to Protoss, got into diamond and switched to Zerg and stayed in diamond.

It doesn't matter about the races to which you are good at, it matters about the player. MC can play Protoss and Zerg really well, does that mean that Terran is harder to learn? No. TLO can play all the races about the same.

One race may be easier to one person than another, whereas that race may be hard to play as/against to other people. It's not about the races - it's about the people.
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After patch 1.3.1 (when amulet ht upgrade that gave +25 templar energy was removed) everyone was complaining that terran were too strong and that tvp was broken. Below are my ranks of every buff and nerf that has impacted pvt since. "1" is minor impact and "4" is significant. The amulet ht upgrade removal would be a 4 on this scale, but I only included changes after that patch, and none of these changes are equal to amulet removal.

PvT buffs since 1.3.1
EMP radius 2.0 to 1.5 (3)
Immortal range 5 to 6 (3)
Archon range increased 2 to 3 (3)
Blue Flame damage 10 to 5 (2)
Warp Prism shield 40 to 100 (2)
Forge Upgrade costs decreased (2)
Mule only returns 30 from gold patch (2)
Barracks build time 60 to 65 (2)
Sentry train time 42 to 37 (1)
Snipe damage does less to most units, slightly more to templars (1)

PvT nerfs since 1.3.1
Blink research 110 to 140 (1)
Ghost cost 200/100 instead of 150/150 (1)
Pylon radius 7.5 to 6.5 (1)

I agree that pvt is favored to p by about 5 points, but 5 points is still very close in the broad scheme of things. Maybe I should make TL thread with this and see how angry everyone gets.
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Was Archon changed to massive after that patch? Because not being slowed by concussive shells is huge.
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He has to serious. 1 gate FE into anything with bad macro, micro and no game sense guarantees never loosing PvT.

I disagree

My 2 latest games have been 1 gate FE and I've lost both of them. I'm not that good of a player but i understand macro, tech paths .etc
My win rate in PVT with a 1 gate FE is about 50%.

I tried to play terran a few games with no knowledge. I was able to get to 4-5 bases, crazy economy and basically unlimited supply in all those games.


Also: it's losing...
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I play zerg at a higher level than protoss and I've played at least as much protoss. It's hard to believe you are being serious.

Im speaking to my experience im not saying im not massively biased =P dont take it personal
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