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Hmmm. Anyone wanna watch my terrible skillz? Macro was so terrra bad. First day back trying to play.. frown.gif

It was a mid masters terran i beat.


http://drop.sc/181917


Also here is a little desperate queen action for you terran haterz. hahahaha. Just for the record i had to go queen cause mutas were getting pwned by pheonix and voids. lol

http://drop.sc/182004

Happy watching



@ Kreeker

EDIT: I had to cause i returned my phone. It takes a few days. 3 if i remember
Edited by Anti!! - 5/17/12 at 8:29pm
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Saw this and laughed more than I probably should have..
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Can someone explain to me why this :
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Is better than This:

375


I know the theory is to use the nexus and get the wall up faster, but the canon on the ramp behind the forge/gate gets hits while they go up the ramp and while they go by and seems the first picture allows a much larger surround. Also roaches can stay out of the range of the canon and snipe the nexus ??
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Better early pool defense, less minerals invested into wall
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Better early pool defense, less minerals invested into wall

I guess at Plat and lower level it doesn't matter, but I have better luck with wall #2


I try to 15 nexus, then forge and gate asap. Then cannon positioned like in the picture, then add cyber, pylon, cannon.

But if they do a early pool and I have the canon up it stops run bys or at most 1 or 2 lings get into the base. Then I can close the wall pretty easily.

I did a game yesterday with the first wall and I blocked his expo so he roached me and I lost my Nexus.



What should I have done differently this game? PvZ is my BIGGEST weakness.
Antiga Shipyard (9).zip 47k .zip file
Edited by CravinR1 - 5/18/12 at 1:11am
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I guess at Plat and lower level it doesn't matter, but I have better luck with wall #2
I try to 15 nexus, then forge and gate asap. Then cannon positioned like in the picture, then add cyber, pylon, cannon.
But if they do a early pool and I have the canon up it stops run bys or at most 1 or 2 lings get into the base. Then I can close the wall pretty easily.
I did a game yesterday with the first wall and I blocked his expo so he roached me and I lost my Nexus.
What should I have done differently this game? PvZ is my BIGGEST weakness.
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You watch mine ill watch yours. Lol
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Originally Posted by Ipwnnubletz View Post

Better early pool defense, less minerals invested into wall

I guess at Plat and lower level it doesn't matter, but I have better luck with wall #2


I try to 15 nexus, then forge and gate asap. Then cannon positioned like in the picture, then add cyber, pylon, cannon.

But if they do a early pool and I have the canon up it stops run bys or at most 1 or 2 lings get into the base. Then I can close the wall pretty easily.

I did a game yesterday with the first wall and I blocked his expo so he roached me and I lost my Nexus.



What should I have done differently this game? PvZ is my BIGGEST weakness.
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Originally Posted by CravinR1 View Post

Can someone explain to me why this :
375


Is better than This:

375


I know the theory is to use the nexus and get the wall up faster, but the canon on the ramp behind the forge/gate gets hits while they go up the ramp and while they go by and seems the first picture allows a much larger surround. Also roaches can stay out of the range of the canon and snipe the nexus ??

It's just pure preferences. The one isn't better than the other, also I've never seen it done quite the way you did it there. Usually the forge and the gateway are to the front, tanking damage. (Like you did in the replay you provided)

Rule of thumb with FFE is to take double gas AFTER your second pylon (excluding pylon blocks). Also do not (ever) chronoboost warpgate or +1 unless you are aiming for a very specific timing. Chronoboost all your probes.
To hold of the roach aggression:
You were high on gas and low on minerals -> more sentries, not zealots. You 'focus fired' with your units which allowed them to be sniped when you were not looking. Just a-move and let them abuse the range advantage. Try to lure the roaches into the cannons.

Oh and don't forget to check your gas saturation.


I like your aggression after holding the attack off, but you should have built probes in the background. By not doing that you just had a four gate all-in 8 minutes into the game. (Granted, with +1) (Small tip: go behind the mineral line, less surface area for lings. Also let your zealots reign free as much as possible, they will reign havoc in the mineral line.)
You were floating 800 gas when you took your third gas and 700 when you took your fourth. You were not teching so had no need for all those geysers. This is also probably why you felt like you needed desperation DT's. (SWEET MOTHER OF 19 KILL DT!)

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Yeah all that makes sense. The aggression really paid off by sniping his third and I killed a few drones and made him get attack units instead of powering drones and pulling more ahead. The way I position in the picture was due to me not being able to put the gate up front due to not enough room. I try to position the canon close to the nexus to give coverage so lings can't surround a far corner out of canon range.


Its hard to remember to chrono boost probes while you're doing aggression. And I agree I shouldv'e went behind the mineral line, I noticed that when I wateched the replay.

Those DTs did win me the game. He was attacking my front and those 6 dts killed ALL his probes and sniped 2 of his 3 hatches.thumb.gif
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I would never leave a cyber core exposed at the front like that. It's one of, if not the most important building you have as P.

As for the roach thing, i'd argue you're doing the building placement wrong, it should be more like this:

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Guys I need your help! I can't watch the gsl finals!

*gasp*

Can someone please record it!

I have no idea if it is possible but I would be ever grateful
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