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I feel like its difficult as a protoss to balance economy and army. It seems to really be one or the other until late game.

Well, I am/was (BF3/D3 kinda prevent me from playing SC2) a plat zerg player and I have a very hard time balancing eco/army mellowsmiley.gif
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i wanna play now...
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Good lets keep this active. Screw d3. Lol
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Good lets keep this active. Screw d3. Lol

The novelty wears off pretty fast. Started 1v1ing again tonight. Beat two top plats and lost to a gold mad.gif
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D3 has pretty much stopped me from playing SC2 completely.
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Probably would me to, but I dont own it so. SCREW D3! lol

Was gonna 1v1 last night, but work work work work work..
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I'm in the process of upgrading my rig and switching from a i7 920 @ 3ghz to a 3770k at 4.2ghz made streaming sc2 much much more playable. I had assumed my wireless internet connection was the bottleneck (causing a ~500ms delay between action & response), but I think it was the processor... either that or streaming software has really improved over the last year. In either case it's awesome to be able to stream with virtually the same lag/fps/settings. Have an Asus gtx 670 on the way which will be the final component so I'll finally be able to stream above "low" graphics settings.

Anyone want to try to arrange an overclock.net official play time on the NA servers? I could do Thursday's pretty much anytime after 5pm CST.
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So in my recent ZvTs I have been slowly dying to continuos marine tank pushes. At first I can just use blings to deal the damage, but when the terran has 3/3 and more tanks it gets much harder. I've made the much needed transition from the old Muta/Ling/Bling to Infestor/Ling/Some Blings, and I think the problem is my tech switch to T3. Most of the time when I am dying is when I have exhausted resources from about 5 bases, and simply run out of money to use ling infestor.

So the key problems in my adaptation to Infestor style are:
1) When do I tech switch to ultras, and what do I do in the transitionary period? I hate blords in ZvT because it is impossible to fungal all of the marines if he just splits and stims under the blords. So I am trying to make use of mass ultras, as I feel that people think ultras suck because they only have 5 out on the field at most, while with blords they'd have about 20.

2) When I have T3 5/3 ultras, what should my army comp be? 25% Infestors, 50% Ultras, 20% Lings, 5% Queens?

3) How do I harass with lings and infestors, assuming he makes missile turrets so I can't just derp into his base burrowed.

4) How do I gain map control besides just using towers, I feel like if I move out with my whole army he'll just drop me, and if I leave things to deal with drops I won't be able to fight his main army.

5) How can I deny bases with this? Yes dropping creep and burrowed lings denies it for a good 15 seconds, but how do I continually deny his expos, taking into consideration I can't have my whole army at his base, as stated in the previous point.

6) Finally, when do I take my third, since most Terrans expand around 4:30. I have been trying a quick third, but it means I am behind on early tech, and if I scout a push, I have to go out of my way to make lings, which negates the early third I just took.
    
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So in my recent ZvTs I have been slowly dying to continuos marine tank pushes. At first I can just use blings to deal the damage, but when the terran has 3/3 and more tanks it gets much harder. I've made the much needed transition from the old Muta/Ling/Bling to Infestor/Ling/Some Blings, and I think the problem is my tech switch to T3. Most of the time when I am dying is when I have exhausted resources from about 5 bases, and simply run out of money to use ling infestor.
So the key problems in my adaptation to Infestor style are:
1) When do I tech switch to ultras, and what do I do in the transitionary period? I hate blords in ZvT because it is impossible to fungal all of the marines if he just splits and stims under the blords. So I am trying to make use of mass ultras, as I feel that people think ultras suck because they only have 5 out on the field at most, while with blords they'd have about 20.
2) When I have T3 5/3 ultras, what should my army comp be? 25% Infestors, 50% Ultras, 20% Lings, 5% Queens?
3) How do I harass with lings and infestors, assuming he makes missile turrets so I can't just derp into his base burrowed.
4) How do I gain map control besides just using towers, I feel like if I move out with my whole army he'll just drop me, and if I leave things to deal with drops I won't be able to fight his main army.
5) How can I deny bases with this? Yes dropping creep and burrowed lings denies it for a good 15 seconds, but how do I continually deny his expos, taking into consideration I can't have my whole army at his base, as stated in the previous point.
6) Finally, when do I take my third, since most Terrans expand around 4:30. I have been trying a quick third, but it means I am behind on early tech, and if I scout a push, I have to go out of my way to make lings, which negates the early third I just took.

What league are you?

1. It should never be hard to fungal all the marines. You should do some practice engagements or something, because imo Brood Lords are infinitely better (minus mobility). You said "he just splits and stims under the blords", you should have more than enough Infestors to just lay down the fungals one after another. The only thing that should be hitting your Broods are Vikings.

2. As many as you can afford, honestly. As many as the big hitting units as possible, then cushion the rest of your supply count with lings.

3. You don't. Denying his expos are the only thing you can do, and the only thing you SHOULD do. This is the disadvantage to the Infestor style of play. If you want to harass, you should go Muta.

4. Creep. Tons and tons of creep

5. Burrow some banelings at the mineral line, or ling runbys right after he drops that expo, before the base is a planetary.

6. Depends what opening they do. After the Queen buff I've seen gasless openings become quite popular, so I usually take a 5-6 minute third, since Hellions don't come out till around 6-7.

Do you have any replays? I'd love to take a look at them smile.gif ZvT is my best and favorite matchup and I'd love to help.

Also, at what time do you usually tech to Hive?
Edited by Ipwnnubletz - 5/25/12 at 9:51am
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