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Anyone want to practice with a rusty master leaguer? SoulWager.969

Make sure you say you're from OCN so i don't delete the invite (been getting spam from d3 gold bots)
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Anyone want to practice with a rusty master leaguer? SoulWager.969
Make sure you say you're from OCN so i don't delete the invite (been getting spam from d3 gold bots)

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Normally i am a high silver low gold toss player. Altough i like protoss i want to take a crack at playing Zerg, but i have not the faintest idea on what a good zerg opener is!

All the zerg openers i find online are pretty much out of date. (sept 2010 etc)

Can anyone give me a decent opener or a link where i can find more info?
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1v1 or teams?
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Well against T you normally open 15 hatch then 17 pool if you dont see bunker rush. Then 16 gas.

Over lord then two queens when your natural finishes.

If you see a sneaky scv in suspicious spots be ready to pull about 6 drones and make sure to kill the scvs making bunker. You cannot let the bunker finish. Once your queens pop. While still droning you can make 2 more queens to deny early early pressure. Spend your first 100 gas on speed. Then the build changes based on what you scout.



Against P ill pool first at 15

Then 15 hatch

Kinda gas when i wanna. 15 - 16 - 17.

Keep a scout on the toss. If he goes forge gast expand you wanna grab third around 5ish or as soon as you can defend it.


Also if a terran does an early expo build you wanna grab a third quickly too. You wanna stay up at least one base at all time. Also dont hesitate to get that macro in base hatch. You will need it until you can spit larva on a dime all game long.

These are all loose and quick suggestions. I could elaborate more but you will have enough to keep up with for now. Besides it should be plenty given the league you are in 'for now'.

Also. I like to hatch first around 15 in zvz then 15 pool and 14 gas. In your league you will have to do it that soon after hatch because you will run into a few 1 and 2 base quick allins. Good luck. Feel free to add me. I can help if im ever on. Just ask snelan.
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Honestly, I would just stay with the 15p 15h for P and Z, and the 15h 15p for T. That's how I learned (Anti taught me biggrin.gif) and it worked fine. At those leagues it's (and even into masters) it's not always the opening that decides who is ahead. A better executed 14p 16h against a Terran will edge out a badly executed 15h 17p any day, and keep in mind that a 14p 16h is probably the worst opening against Terran.

Also, remember that against an FFE (Forge Fast Expand) you can take your third a *little* bit before you are comfortable. This is because they will also be focusing mainly on econ too, so under normal circumstances, you should just see a stalker and a zealot to harass the third. Queendralisks and lings can clean that up. Keep in mind that most toss' (not saying you) like to try to pull stupid crap all the time to get free wins because they don't feel like doing their already-cheesy 2 base all in. So watch out for early voids if you see an early gas on the third (around 6-6:30 gas timing), or sometimes they will just not drone their nat and try a modified 4 gate.
    
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man, I wonder exactly how rusty I am in 1v1, I mean, anti you know how incompetent I was against your friend's harass last time


it's just funny that a local commercial about a sexual-enhancement drug came out with a slogan (somewhere along the lines of) "however razor sharp the blade is, eventually some day it will rust"

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Well against T you normally open 15 hatch then 17 pool if you dont see bunker rush. Then 16 gas.
Over lord then two queens when your natural finishes.
If you see a sneaky scv in suspicious spots be ready to pull about 6 drones and make sure to kill the scvs making bunker. You cannot let the bunker finish. Once your queens pop. While still droning you can make 2 more queens to deny early early pressure. Spend your first 100 gas on speed. Then the build changes based on what you scout.
Against P ill pool first at 15
Then 15 hatch
Kinda gas when i wanna. 15 - 16 - 17.
Keep a scout on the toss. If he goes forge gast expand you wanna grab third around 5ish or as soon as you can defend it.
Also if a terran does an early expo build you wanna grab a third quickly too. You wanna stay up at least one base at all time. Also dont hesitate to get that macro in base hatch. You will need it until you can spit larva on a dime all game long.
These are all loose and quick suggestions. I could elaborate more but you will have enough to keep up with for now. Besides it should be plenty given the league you are in 'for now'.
Also. I like to hatch first around 15 in zvz then 15 pool and 14 gas. In your league you will have to do it that soon after hatch because you will run into a few 1 and 2 base quick allins. Good luck. Feel free to add me. I can help if im ever on. Just ask snelan.

I will add you, but on what server do you play? smile.gif

Tnx for the advice btw!

I found some great new Appollo tutorials on playing zerg, including the hotkey setup etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuUalKWgB7Y ( part one of a four-part series)

@ Snelan: I'm not a cheeser thank god smile.gif I hate cheesing. I know its part of the game but i just don't see why someone would pull this crap. In the lower league it's the only thing some of the players do ... every game. And as soon as they encounter a decent opponent who can hold it off they have no clue what to follow it up with.
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