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Happy New Year!
It's weird, for some reason I keep getting matched up with almost only Terrans making ZvT my best matchup by far. I need to work on my ZvZ, I've been opening 14 pool/14 hatch but think I will try 11 overpool now.

Try 10 over(exractor trick) 14 hatch 16 pool 16 1 gas 17 over saturate both bases with min 1 with double gas then make a bane/speedling push.
Edited by G.E.Nauticus - 1/4/13 at 4:38pm
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Try 10 over(exractor trick) 14 hatch 16 pool 16 1 gas 17 over saturate both bases with min 1 with double gas then make a bane/speedling push.

Hatch first with such a late pool is suicide in ZvZ. I get rushed by early pools in most games as is and win against the majority of all-ins, which are incredibly common in lower leagues. I'm not looking to change that part by delaying my defense.
Edited by ChaoticKinesis - 1/4/13 at 7:30pm
     
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happy new year again...


well i lost the placement match but i got masters again.. kinda hard to keep up.. i have another account that i just go promoted to platinum.. i will pratice with it until i get masters again..
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Do we have an OCN Clan? Also I live stream when I play. You can list my Stream on 1st post. Zerg Silver/Gold Laddering towards plat/dia this season.
http://www.twitch.tv/nauticus945

Someone made an ocn clan in hots. By the name of leetums. This person has not added anyone though...
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Hatch first with such a late pool is suicide in ZvZ. I get rushed by early pools in most games as is and win against the majority of all-ins, which are incredibly common in lower leagues. I'm not looking to change that part by delaying my defense.

This is not true. frown.gif

It's only suicide if you can't micro against 6 or 8 lings and manage to keep 10 or more drones. smile.gif

When you can do that you will look back and see how much you really can get away with.

There was a guy on teamliquid thAt did a thread showing his rroad to grandmasters only doing a drone sixpool all in. He was successful, but he also showed how to defend it with just drones. It is verrrrrrryyyyyyy possible.
Edited by Anti!! - 1/5/13 at 4:31am
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A major benefit of mules in late game is that they free up supply for army. Since terran is now guaranteed safe for 10 minutes he can make only orbital commands all around the map and build defense. With the exception of the early game, SCVs are really only needed for gas. With enough mules T can try to quickly mine out expansions, making their defense unnecessary. What if T had a 180 supply ball of thors, tanks, and battlecruisers? I'm not really sure what can take that out.

well, they are talking about "no attacks in 10 minutes", not "no army in 10 minutes"

If you build nothing but orbitals and basic def, at min 12th-13th the most bases you can have is like 3, and you still lose easily at min 13th-15th
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This is not true. frown.gif
It's only suicide if you can't micro against 6 or 8 lings and manage to keep 10 or more drones. smile.gif
When you can do that you will look back and see how much you really can get away with.
There was a guy on teamliquid thAt did a thread showing his rroad to grandmasters only doing a drone sixpool all in. He was successful, but he also showed how to defend it with just drones. It is verrrrrrryyyyyyy possible.

While this may by true about a 6 pool, lings, queens, and spines are still better for defending than just drones. What about a 10 pool, where they produce nothing but lings or an all-in with drones? I'm pretty sure they can arrive at your base before the pool completes. Plus such a late pool delays larvae, which may become the limiting factor. I'm just not sure that the pros, if there even are any, outweigh the cons.
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well, they are talking about "no attacks in 10 minutes", not "no army in 10 minutes"
If you build nothing but orbitals and basic def, at min 12th-13th the most bases you can have is like 3, and you still lose easily at min 13th-15th

That may be true with a standard build order but If you delay tech, I'm sure the timings would be different. What if you focused on nothing but orbitals and SCVs, making just seige tanks and turrets to defend at the 10 minute mark? You can even wall off with a CC to prevent something like a baneling bust. With enough production buildings and some strategically placed sensor towers you can significantly delay unit production. Plus if some of the more distant bases consist of just a CC and mules for mining, that base can provide a lot of income, while also being treated as expendable in case of an early attack.
     
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Hatch first with such a late pool is suicide in ZvZ. I get rushed by early pools in most games as is and win against the majority of all-ins, which are incredibly common in lower leagues. I'm not looking to change that part by delaying my defense.

Not true at all. Time the difference with my build your looking at a 30-45 second difference between pool finish vs 10 pool witch is almost perfect being as it takes 20 seconds+ to cross the map. I'll find the replay where I got 6 pooled and 10 pooled and owned them. Trust me once your comfortable with it you will like it. Its nice your pool and 2nd hatch pop at the same time which means as soon as your second hatch opens you can queen them both and are like 30 gas from speedling.
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Been playing some ladder games today and I'm really not a fan of the new large 2-player maps.
     
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Been playing some ladder games today and I'm really not a fan of the new large 2-player maps.

What league are you in?
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Pretty joyfull news. Well, i think it is anyway haha.

I got promoted to Platinum! I still don't think i belong there, but hey .. not complaining. Now my goal is to stay in platinum as long as i can.thumb.gif

Held of my first proxy 2 gate today. Put a cannon in my mineral line, and then he just did not know what to do next. I got a core and 3 gates. Crushed the 2 gates and then expanded. Steamrolled him with collosus.

Also i am getting better against terran... Seems to be the match up in which i know what to do. PVP is still my worst though. It's just looking in a mirror, hoping that your positioning will be better.
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