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Lucifron is amazing. Didn't expect him to beat MVP but those games were pretty one sided. Good positioning, good harass. GG

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to get out of bronze: just make workers and make units. It does not even matter what units. Just make a crap load of stuff.

>to get out of plat: just make workers and make units. It does not even matter what units. Just make a crap load of stuff

I hate remarks like this, it's not like benben84 isn't trying. He might not have the right killer instinct yet, but damnit I hate these comments.
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Lucifron is amazing. Didn't expect him to beat MVP but those games were pretty one sided. Good positioning, good harass. GG

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>to get out of plat: just make workers and make units. It does not even matter what units. Just make a crap load of stuff

I hate remarks like this, it's not like benben84 isn't trying. He might not have the right killer instinct yet, but damnit I hate these comments.

its pretty true
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>to get out of plat: just make workers and make units. It does not even matter what units. Just make a crap load of stuff

I hate remarks like this, it's not like benben84 isn't trying. He might not have the right killer instinct yet, but damnit I hate these comments.

Agreed. It took me longer to go from bronze to silver than silver to plat. It takes a while to develop the mechanics to macro. Most of the "better" players in the lower leagues just do the same cheesy builds, so if you don't want to cheese yourself you need to learn to counter their play.
     
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I hate remarks like this, it's not like benben84 isn't trying. He might not have the right killer instinct yet, but damnit I hate these comments.


Gratz on Masters But what he said is pretty true. Unless someone is offering coaching, the only way to get out is to just "macro better." I'd offer to dissect his replays but TL is a better place for that imo smile.gif

On the topic of WCS. What do you guys think about the GSL? Innovation vs Symbol, Soulkey vs sOs. TvZ or TvP final? I think Soulkey is going to Nom Nom Nom sOs but we may see an upset. As for Symbol vs Innovation, 3-1 Inno. Sorry Symbol. Innovation has just been too good this last month. Looks like he's getting his first major title.
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Man there's some much good Starcraft to watch at the moment I don't actually have time to play. Living in EU WCS Korea is on just after I wake up, then there's WCS EU for the most of the afternoon and I always catch some WCS NA before going to sleep.

It looks like there will be a lot of TvTs in EU's premier league. I wan't to see ForGG vs Lucifron in the top 4, probably the two strongest players atm. For KR I hope for sOs vs Innovation finals.
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Wrong wrong wrong Wrong. Bronze is full of pro wannabes who learn good timings for attack and good unit compositions in addition to cheesy builds. It is NOT ENOUGH to just "build stuff", this is typical high league arrogance.
The game isn't easier in Bronze. Yes, pleayer's micro and overall understanding of macro sucks, but so does yours if you're in Bronze. So you need to make strategies that work For crappy players Against crappy players. And those strategies are just as complex as those on higher level.

Yes, they yield worse results vs high league players. That doesn't make them "easy".

Bottom line: you don't get out of bronze by just "building stuff", because there's a crap load of people in Bronze who put effort in their playing, and you need to put more effort than them. That's the only way. Persistency, learning curve, memory. Not "building stuff".
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to get out of bronze: just make workers and make units. It does not even matter what units. Just make a crap load of stuff.
ha I wish it was that easy. I've watched a ton of videos on strategies, build orders, timing, etc but I just seem to get destroyed mid game no matter what I do. I think my biggest problem is I only play at night when I'm already exhausted and don't feel like thinking and then i only play 3v3 or 4v4 with my buddies. I don't have any time to dedicate to playing by myself so I'm probably a bronzer for life. We usually get beat 4 or 5 times and then give up and go to Nexus Wars.
 
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People in bronze don't understand expand timings. Theyll either sit on one or two base all game..all you have to do is a standard 3 base build and youll have so much stuff it doesnt matter what they do
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Wrong wrong wrong Wrong. Bronze is full of pro wannabes who learn good timings for attack and good unit compositions in addition to cheesy builds. It is NOT ENOUGH to just "build stuff", this is typical high league arrogance.
The game isn't easier in Bronze. Yes, pleayer's micro and overall understanding of macro sucks, but so does yours if you're in Bronze. So you need to make strategies that work For crappy players Against crappy players. And those strategies are just as complex as those on higher level.

Yes, they yield worse results vs high league players. That doesn't make them "easy".

Bottom line: you don't get out of bronze by just "building stuff", because there's a crap load of people in Bronze who put effort in their playing, and you need to put more effort than them. That's the only way. Persistency, learning curve, memory. Not "building stuff".

Maybe not building "stuff" but building close to the proper units and scouting with safe expanding along with spending that money you can and will get out of bronze. I can prove it. Lol


I also believe it was a bit harsh to throw us all in the bucket 9f arrogant high leaguers.
Edited by Anti!! - 5/17/13 at 12:14pm
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Wrong wrong wrong Wrong. Bronze is full of pro wannabes who learn good timings for attack and good unit compositions in addition to cheesy builds. It is NOT ENOUGH to just "build stuff", this is typical high league arrogance.
The game isn't easier in Bronze. Yes, pleayer's micro and overall understanding of macro sucks, but so does yours if you're in Bronze. So you need to make strategies that work For crappy players Against crappy players. And those strategies are just as complex as those on higher level.

Yes, they yield worse results vs high league players. That doesn't make them "easy".

Bottom line: you don't get out of bronze by just "building stuff", because there's a crap load of people in Bronze who put effort in their playing, and you need to put more effort than them. That's the only way. Persistency, learning curve, memory. Not "building stuff".
You have no idea what you're talking about. When we say "build stuff" we mean you need to completely ignore strategy, micro, unit composition, timings, everything except building workers, building supply, and spending your money as fast as you get it. Is there a battle? Don't look at it. Just keep building units.

This does 2 things: It will completely overwhelm any bronze player with the sheer quantity of stuff.
It's a prerequisite for getting good enough that strategy actually matters.



If you want to see how little unit composition and strategy matters in bronze league, I'll beat a bronze league player of your choice with nothing but sentries after telling him im only making sentries.
Edited by TranquilTempest - 5/17/13 at 12:58pm
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