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You have no idea what you're talking about. When we say "build stuff" we mean you need to completely ignore strategy, micro, unit composition, timings, everything except building workers, building supply, and spending your money as fast as you get it. Is there a battle? Don't look at it. Just keep building units.

This does 2 things: It will completely overwhelm any bronze player with the sheer quantity of stuff.
It's a prerequisite for getting good enough that strategy actually matters.



If you want to see how little unit composition and strategy matters in bronze league, I'll beat a bronze league player of your choice with nothing but sentries after telling him im only making sentries.

I believe that *YOU* can beat a bronze player like that. *ANOTHER* bronze player can't beat like that. You Don't get out of bronze like that unless you're already out of bronze. Trust a person who's in bronze far longer than you. Skills in bronze suck. No skills + no strategy other than "build stuff" = loss every time.
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back to platinum.. trying to get ready to start playing with to zerg.. thumb.gif
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Lucifron is amazing. Didn't expect him to beat MVP but those games were pretty one sided. Good positioning, good harass. GG

Happy got ripped apart tongue.gif
>to get out of plat: just make workers and make units. It does not even matter what units. Just make a crap load of stuff

I hate remarks like this, it's not like benben84 isn't trying. He might not have the right killer instinct yet, but damnit I hate these comments.

its pretty true

Just as true for bronze as for plat.
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I hate remarks like this, it's not like benben84 isn't trying. He might not have the right killer instinct yet, but damnit I hate these comments.


Gratz on Masters But what he said is pretty true. Unless someone is offering coaching, the only way to get out is to just "macro better." I'd offer to dissect his replays but TL is a better place for that imo smile.gif

On the topic of WCS. What do you guys think about the GSL? Innovation vs Symbol, Soulkey vs sOs. TvZ or TvP final? I think Soulkey is going to Nom Nom Nom sOs but we may see an upset. As for Symbol vs Innovation, 3-1 Inno. Sorry Symbol. Innovation has just been too good this last month. Looks like he's getting his first major title.

I'm diamond not masters. It's just as true for a bronze player as it is for a plat player.



And from this point on this thread got pretty chaotic imo, with trolls, sarcasm, serious help all running around and confusing me tongue.gif

In my experience 'lower' league players don't know when to move out or when to expand. Being scared and lacking scouting information/knowledge. It comes with experience, some learn faster, some slower. Eventually it's all about building more than your opponent is building.
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Lucifron gets ForGG for ro8. Awesome. smile.gif
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Dayumn all of the matches should be awesome , Luci vs Forg two terran destroyers biggrin.gif
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I believe that *YOU* can beat a bronze player like that. *ANOTHER* bronze player can't beat like that. You Don't get out of bronze like that unless you're already out of bronze.

You're so funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAipdf05ipo

Nothing but marines. The basic idea of "build more stuff" and focus on macro will get you out of bronze. There is no need for strategy until low Masters, and even then people's macro sucks. It took me a whole year to get out of Plat because I was not consistent with my macro. My macro is still bad. Your understanding of the game will improve massively as your macro play improves.
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Trust a person who's in bronze far longer than you. Skills in bronze suck. No skills + no strategy other than "build stuff" = loss every time.

Bronze players lose because their macro is bad bad BAD BAD. Nothing else to it.
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Lucifron gets ForGG for ro8. Awesome. smile.gif

Betting on ForGG, but we may be surprised smile.gif
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If it helps, one thing that helped me improve a lot was practicing the first 8 minutes of a match-up the very best I could against AI. (It wasn't perfect but I was aiming for some benchmarks).

As a Protoss player, my biggest trouble was holding 2 raxes with a 1gate expand, but once I was able to execute the first 6-8 minutes, I was normally pretty far ahead of an opponent. .....I just realized how old those build orders were in the meta. biggrin.gif

Edit: I can sympanthize with rommin though. I mean yes, the general goal is also macro and yadda yadda but that really doesn't mean jack after hearing it without end. "Macro" encompasses a lot of things and you have to be very specific with stuff. And while the trolly type builds(ie, 1 unit type) work if you have high level mechanics (or it's all you focus on ever), I never found doing stuff like that fun. Just too grindy for my tastes.
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Probably thought i started using SH's due to watching TLO , but i've been using since i was in silver
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ha I wish it was that easy. I've watched a ton of videos on strategies, build orders, timing, etc but I just seem to get destroyed mid game no matter what I do. I think my biggest problem is I only play at night when I'm already exhausted and don't feel like thinking and then i only play 3v3 or 4v4 with my buddies. I don't have any time to dedicate to playing by myself so I'm probably a bronzer for life. We usually get beat 4 or 5 times and then give up and go to Nexus Wars.

I am sorry, but it is that easy. Don't get me wrong. My highest achievement was plat, so i am not a good player by a long shot. But i suspect you were focussing on strategy to much and forgot to build workers, expand, build extra production buildings, got supply blocked a lot etc.

In bronze those are the things to focus on. Like i said: Just make sure you make a lot of stuff.

Most strategies you are trying to learn do not make any sense against a player who does not know what they are doing. The timings are completely different then they are in high leagues.
Edited by FrankoNL - 5/18/13 at 1:40am
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