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You're so funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAipdf05ipo

Nothing but marines. The basic idea of "build more stuff" and focus on macro will get you out of bronze. There is no need for strategy until low Masters, and even then people's macro sucks. It took me a whole year to get out of Plat because I was not consistent with my macro. My macro is still bad. Your understanding of the game will improve massively as your macro play improves.
Bronze players lose because their macro is bad bad BAD BAD. Nothing else to it.
Betting on ForGG, but we may be surprised smile.gif

I've also won with nothing but marines, that doesn't get your out of bronze. You go "build stuff", and the chance to win is like 50/50 if you opponent is ~the same skill as you. I believe you've all forgotten what the competition in bronze is like, or perhaps it wasn't like that back when you were still learning.
But I state it and I won't change my mind - currently "just build stuff, doesn't even matter what" won't get you out of bronze. smile.gif
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I think it does. It will not get you out in 3 games ofcourse. But when you just build stuff and focus more on your base then on your army and/or buildorder, you will learn to "macro" better then your opponents. This will eventually win you games.

with build stuff, i do not mean building only marines, with no scv's to back it up. With build stuff i mean: Constant scv production, expand, constant have your production buildings working. Do not think about build orders
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I've also won with nothing but marines, that doesn't get your out of bronze. You go "build stuff", and the chance to win is like 50/50 if you opponent is ~the same skill as you. I believe you've all forgotten what the competition in bronze is like, or perhaps it wasn't like that back when you were still learning.
But I state it and I won't change my mind - currently "just build stuff, doesn't even matter what" won't get you out of bronze. smile.gif
I've seen bronze level play. Macro is by far the biggest problem for Bronze. "Build Stuff" is meaning to focus on Macro only, and forget about focusing on everything else.

And Macroing is focusing on resource mining, expanding, and building an army. The type of army doesn't matter. Obviously you would want more than just marines, or just zerglings, or just zealots. But, at bronze level, if you can make 50 marines in 10 minutes, you'll dominate every bronze player out there.
Edited by Maian - 5/18/13 at 7:19am
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I've seen bronze level play. Macro is by far the biggest problem for Bronze. "Build Stuff" is meaning to focus on Macro only, and forget about focusing on everything else.

And Macroing is focusing on resource mining, expanding, and building an army. The type of army doesn't matter. Obviously you would want more than just marines, or just zerglings, or just zealots. But, at bronze level, if you can make 50 marines in 10 minutes, you'll dominate every bronze player out there.

So technically by "just build stuff" you mean "don't just build stuff, but do everything that you should do in an RTS - mine, expand, and build an army of more than just marines"?

Ok then, I agree! smile.gif
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What helps me improve is just having a plan before i game obviously at some point i need to adjust but still having some sort of plan focusing on injects , don't get supply blocked , have half decent creep spread, be on top of my upgrades etc. I pretty much don't scout at all or rarely and i'm doing alright in plat , currently #3 in my division. Too bad he's not playing Z i could give my recent experience of silver/gold. I've been playing for bit less than two months (played sc2 max 3-4 games before , and about few customs < 10 in bw ages ago that's all exp i had with sc2) and move from low silver to hi-plat in that time, plus it's matching me with last season diamonds rather often enough nowadays. I was doing 10p almost every game while in silver/gold vs toss/z just because it works at that level while if doesn't i wasn't that far behind in macro game as if i would fail it in higher level games.

Imo have a plan with what you want to do in certain situations and try to keep to it. About bronze as mentioned simply outmacroing even if it's just marines/zerglings + banelings/zealots+stalkers should be more than enough to get out given you practice it and do decently.
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I've also won with nothing but marines, that doesn't get your out of bronze. You go "build stuff", and the chance to win is like 50/50 if you opponent is ~the same skill as you. I believe you've all forgotten what the competition in bronze is like, or perhaps it wasn't like that back when you were still learning.
But I state it and I won't change my mind - currently "just build stuff, doesn't even matter what" won't get you out of bronze. smile.gif

While I do agree with you that bronze is surely not what it used to be in season 1 as the whole play field improves over time , superior mechanics alone will get you all the way to diamond if not masters. It's not the only way to league up but it's a sure way to do so.

If you can non stop create workers and expand just before complete saturation at every base and keep your money low/ stop supply block you will breeze your way up the ladder.
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So technically by "just build stuff" you mean "don't just build stuff, but do everything that you should do in an RTS - mine, expand, and build an army of more than just marines"?

Ok then, I agree! smile.gif

Yeah... but really. If you've ever heard "Probes and Pylons" then you can take that to the bank. Constant worker production, not getting supply blocked, and using all your production facilities constantly is pretty much all you have to do. Everything NHS is saying is true. tongue.gif
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Come off it, constant production is all you have to do? Whatever world you guys live in it isn't the same as ours..
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You have no idea what you're talking about. When we say "build stuff" we mean you need to completely ignore strategy, micro, unit composition, timings, everything except building workers, building supply, and spending your money as fast as you get it. Is there a battle? Don't look at it. Just keep building units.

This does 2 things: It will completely overwhelm any bronze player with the sheer quantity of stuff.
It's a prerequisite for getting good enough that strategy actually matters.

If you want to see how little unit composition and strategy matters in bronze league, I'll beat a bronze league player of your choice with nothing but sentries after telling him im only making sentries.

And this is complete garbage. Just keep building stuff, sure, don't worry about composition, just send those 150 marines into an array of sieged up tanks and keep doing it and watch yourself win right?
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If you want to see how little unit composition and strategy matters in bronze league, I'll beat a bronze league player of your choice with nothing but sentries after telling him im only making sentries.

And just saying, this kind of proves you seem to be one of the "arrogant high league players" aforementioned.
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If you want to see how little unit composition and strategy matters in bronze league, I'll beat a bronze league player of your choice with nothing but sentries after telling him im only making sentries.

LOL it's true. I watched Puckk beat a Diamond terran(tumescentpie) with nothing but sentries and it was the same deal. Was just a show of how important mechanics are.
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Come off it, constant production is all you have to do? Whatever world you guys live in it isn't the same as ours..
And this is complete garbage. Just keep building stuff, sure, don't worry about composition, just send those 150 marines into an array of sieged up tanks and keep doing it and watch yourself win right?
And just saying, this kind of proves you seem to be one of the "arrogant high league players" aforementioned.

Obviously you are going to want to scout some and attack before they have a massive line of siege tanks/colossus/ultras but it definitely is possible. Have you not seen the Filter bronze to masters series where he only makes marines and pushes around the 10 minute mark with a 1a? It is true and it is possible.
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