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Gotta make in a specific section wink.gif

just tell me if this was enough reasons to ban this guy.... keep pretending TL is a good place to expose your arguments thumb.gif they just ban you instantly they dont like your comment...

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I HOPE there was some stuff in the background brewing before they got banned because that would be very totalitarian of them to ban for something as harmless and civil as a comment like that.
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I HOPE there was some stuff in the background brewing before they got banned because that would be very totalitarian of them to ban for something as harmless and civil as a comment like that.

nothing just what you see there.
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nothing just what you see there.

I used to see that all of the time in every thread I went to nearly. So much I quit going to TL.

Also, to cryo's point if there a select few areas where it is allowed I still think it is just oppressive as far as forum standards go.
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I HOPE there was some stuff in the background brewing before they got banned because that would be very totalitarian of them to ban for something as harmless and civil as a comment like that.



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That ranking was a bad joke. And viewers can see for themselves. I showed some of my friends Polt's TvP matches at IEM and they all said protoss looked too strong even though the terran ended up winning.

written in a >live report< thread, where balance discussion is strictly prohibited, as it was known in the past to take them over and descend into flame wars
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"you need to micro 10 times harder than the protoss player " - Wolf

The page before, same live report thread.
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Keen made a great tactical desicion to sneak marines pass the contain to kill probes at the natural. Doesn't matter because of a 1-click skill solution, even after a time warp. If you think that is fair in a "strategy" game then good for you.

User was temp banned for this post.

^one of many such posts, the one he got a temp ban for.
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To be fair if not for the mother ship skill Keen would have had that gam.

Not really particularly whiny, but edgy, given post history.
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Urghhh recall

Everything he says is out of place and derogatory against one, particular race. The amount of people that do, or did this, is mind blowing. People really have fragile ego's when it comes to RTS.

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Classic vs Keen is going to be a roflstomp. Funny cuz if this were a TvT it might actually be an even match.
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They have to qualify from their team internal tournament, so we still have same problem. That's why proleague is PvProleague in the first two rounds.
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It's so scary what a good protoss can do. It feels like the race has so much yet unexplored potential.
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"On April 20 2014 03:21 RampancyTW wrote:
Is this the part where we pretend that TvZ hasn't been largely balanced for months?"

You obviously haven't followed the games for months.
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Nice game, but protoss late game too strong.
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Squirtle is kinda weak in the multitask department so a really good terran would just tear him apart.
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Squirtle such "strategic" player as Classic puts it.
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Wow TvT day, what a treat :x
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wow qxc
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Squirtle after ffing the ramp: "How zerg win"
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Maru micro is just insane
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While I think that Flash is overrated, there's no shame in being knocked out in code A as terran in the current state of the game.

He wrote all of this -in the last 2-3 days-

I thought it would be somewhat difficult, but i just ran down the list and quoted three quarters of what he said in LIVE REPORT threads, where balance discussion is, specifically and more than any other section, prohibited. He knows about the balance/design threads, because he -actively posts in them with his more aggressive complaints-

Half of what i did not post was terran praise, and maybe, maybe 10-20% of his comments are doing something other than making passes at protoss (occasionally zerg) and praising terran.


I don't particularly like somewhat strict moderation, but it works. I'm glad that idiots like this, after making dozens of posts in the window of a few days, get a TEMPORARY BAN of 1-3 days after a warning or two. It works - he is not alone, there are hundreds like him and there used to be many thousands.

I'd rather not sit around and discuss moderation though, if you guys want lower standards for whining about balance or other races that you happen not to play, i guess posting in threads like this works. Don't get the wrong picture of TL though. He hardly got temp banned for a single comment - there are literally dozens of them in the last 2-3 days alone, in live report threads, which have the most specific rules and strict moderation as they exist for 2 main reasons: So that people incapable of watching the games can read up in text format as the games happen, which requires scanning through all of the posts in the thread - and so that people as a community, who are watching the game, can discuss it and talk without it devolving into a flame war between the large blobs of followers for each individual faction or player.

I hope this opens your eyes a little, as individually quoting something like that can be very deceiving when it is judged not by the content of the post, but by the intention and the ones before it.
Edited by Cyro999 - 4/21/14 at 3:45am
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written in a >live report< thread, where balance discussion is strictly prohibited, as it was known in the past to take them over and descend into flame wars
The page before, same live report thread.
^one of many such posts, the one he got a temp ban for.
Not really particularly whiny, but edgy, given post history.
Everything he says is out of place and derogatory against one, particular race. The amount of people that do, or did this, is mind blowing. People really have fragile ego's when it comes to RTS.











He wrote all of this -in the last 2-3 days-

I thought it would be somewhat difficult, but i just ran down the list and quoted three quarters of what he said in LIVE REPORT threads, where balance discussion is, specifically and more than any other section, prohibited. He knows about the balance/design threads, because he -actively posts in them with his more aggressive complaints-

Half of what i did not post was terran praise, and maybe, maybe 10-20% of his comments are doing something other than making passes at protoss (occasionally zerg) and praising terran.


I don't particularly like somewhat strict moderation, but it works. I'm glad that idiots like this, after making dozens of posts in the window of a few days, get a TEMPORARY BAN of 1-3 days after a warning or two. It works - he is not alone, there are hundreds like him and there used to be many thousands.

I'd rather not sit around and discuss moderation though, if you guys want lower standards for whining about balance or other races that you happen not to play, i guess posting in threads like this works. Don't get the wrong picture of TL though. He hardly got temp banned for a single comment - there are literally dozens of them in the last 2-3 days alone, in live report threads, which have the most specific rules and strict moderation as they exist for 2 main reasons: So that people incapable of watching the games can read up in text format as the games happen, which requires scanning through all of the posts in the thread - and so that people as a community, who are watching the game, can discuss it and talk without it devolving into a flame war between the large blobs of followers for each individual faction or player.

I hope this opens your eyes a little, as individually quoting something like that can be very deceiving when it is judged not by the content of the post, but by the intention and the ones before it.

thnig is a live thread is that, they should allow people to blame and whining all they want on those threads because even though you make a thread only to do t hat it will be closed in a matter of seconds.
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thnig is a live thread is that, they should allow people to blame and whining all they want on those threads because even though you make a thread only to do t hat it will be closed in a matter of seconds.
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thnig is a live thread is that, they should allow people to blame and whining all they want

The live report threads specifically exist for those who cannot watch the games (in order to follow them, as games are described live, in significant detail, by specified posters) and for clean, civilized discussion and hype around what is happening. In short, the target atmosphere is more cheering for a game, rather than half of the thread screaming at each other because they play a specific race. This is a very specific section of the forum and none of the TL members that i personally know (quite a lot) have any issues with it being one of the more strictly moderated sections.

As well as having specific threads for talking about balance, design and the ability to make a thread any time you want to discuss a particular game or games in detail, even with the question of balance, as long as you do it in a civilized way (race bashing throughout the OP like "how the **** was flash supposed to win against that ****, ******* overpowered 1click" will probably get insta-closed)

There are even specific threads where every bodies bans are posted >specifically for discussion of them< and anyone is free to PM a number of mods and site staff and have a long discussion any time they want.

The mods are very experienced (forum is from what early 2000's?) and yes, if you have 600 posts, if three quarters of your last 20 posts is either race bashing in live report or praising another race player (without exception to the specific races that it is) then yes, they'll throw a 1-3 day temp ban, usually after a warning (or two, depending on how old the warning was) and then escalate it if you continue the behavior.


Honestly it's much like OCN in that regard - there are somewhat questionable mod practices everywhere, at least from a quick look perspective - FX vs Haswell discussion is perfectly legit and allowed, but you >will< get warned for bringing it up in certain ways or bringing it up in certain threads. If there is a new thread about 4-module steamrollers being released, and you post "steamroller is terrible, i don't know why anybody uses it over intel, stupid amd fanboys" with nothing constructive written at all after it is explicitly prohibited, you WILL get mod actioned and rightly so.
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The live report threads specifically exist for those who cannot watch the games (in order to follow them, as games are described live, in significant detail, by specified posters) and for clean, civilized discussion and hype around what is happening. In short, the target atmosphere is more cheering for a game, rather than half of the thread screaming at each other because they play a specific race. This is a very specific section of the forum and none of the TL members that i personally know (quite a lot) have any issues with it being one of the more strictly moderated sections.

As well as having specific threads for talking about balance, design and the ability to make a thread any time you want to discuss a particular game or games in detail, even with the question of balance, as long as you do it in a civilized way (race bashing throughout the OP like "how the **** was flash supposed to win against that ****, ******* overpowered 1click" will probably get insta-closed)

There are even specific threads where every bodies bans are posted >specifically for discussion of them< and anyone is free to PM a number of mods and site staff and have a long discussion any time they want.

The mods are very experienced (forum is from what early 2000's?) and yes, if you have 600 posts, if three quarters of your last 20 posts is either race bashing in live report or praising another race player (without exception to the specific races that it is) then yes, they'll throw a 1-3 day temp ban, usually after a warning (or two, depending on how old the warning was) and then escalate it if you continue the behavior.


Honestly it's much like OCN in that regard - there are somewhat questionable mod practices everywhere, at least from a quick look perspective - FX vs Haswell discussion is perfectly legit and allowed, but you >will< get warned for bringing it up in certain ways or bringing it up in certain threads. If there is a new thread about 4-module steamrollers being released, and you post "steamroller is terrible, i don't know why anybody uses it over intel, stupid amd fanboys" with nothing constructive written at all after it is explicitly prohibited, you WILL get mod actioned and rightly so.

Sr. the live report does that... u dont need to be on the thread readning what is going on when the do a resume at the end of the match and put all that together on the first page of the thread...

what i want you to understand is, they should allow people to complain in a funny way and not get banned like the do overpowered 1 click thing is enough to ban a person? when you and me know it is like that?

you pretty much know collosus dont need anymore than A1 and forget about them or no?
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Sr. the live report does that... u dont need to be on the thread readning what is going on when the do a resume at the end of the match and put all that together on the first page of the thread...

what i want you to understand is, they should allow people to complain in a funny way and not get banned like the do overpowered 1 click thing is enough to ban a person? when you and me know it is like that?

you pretty much know collosus dont need anymore than A1 and forget about them or no?

Reading summaries of games is a secondary function of the live report threads, not primary. They're there for use as i described

They do allow people to complain in a funny way. What will warrant a temp ban is somebody like quoted above making 10-20 posts in the window of a few days, doing nothing aside from complaining about 1 race, making small passes on another, and then praising members of his own race with no exceptions to that. I don't see any defending him - he was quite clearly showing pretty toxic behavior

I disagree on last line, but we're not here to discuss that
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Reading summaries of games is a secondary function of the live report threads, not primary. They're there for use as i described

They do allow people to complain in a funny way. What will warrant a temp ban is somebody like quoted above making 10-20 posts in the window of a few days, doing nothing aside from complaining about 1 race, making small passes on another, and then praising members of his own race with no exceptions to that. I don't see any defending him - he was quite clearly showing pretty toxic behavior

I disagree on last line, but we're not here to discuss that

Yeah, as much as I don't want to harp on this that's because the SCII community need that kind of moderation. Those people tend to go more crazy over SCII than Brits do over football and as such in those events they need to be heavily monitored because they get crazed and silly. thanks for showing the "behind the scenes" stuff though, I was thinking it was a bit off to temp ban automatically for a comment that light but with that recurring history, yeah. He's proven you can't give him any slack.
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