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Ultras were not originally intended for armor countering. They were adjusted that way in beta to deal with mech and marauders. Believe me I was there for it . If you have a problem with thors you can just get NP mixed in your units. You can even shoot the thors cannons if you do NP, simply to waste the energy or use them on other thors. What I'm trying to say is Ultras are a pretty good unit against Thors, but not one end all solution, and that's fine, because they shouldn't be. Morrow actually posted in his thread how its pretty easy to deal with Thors even with the 12 second timer on NP ( since he plays Z now as well ).

Trust me, play with Ultras more vs Terran and you'll come back to me like this : :O

Don't forget I play Z as well! I know it's not as much as my Terran but I've also wrecked Terrans and Tosses with Ultra's too.

And for bio vs Ultras... telling you mix up some banes and a couple infestors... or even just infestors... and kiting is just gone entirely.

As for costs 2 marines vs hydras... I mean in some situations the marines are better... but hydras vs anything with a ton of hp / armor and they are far more effective than marines. Same goes for spells like FG, and storm.
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Ultras were not originally intended for armor countering. They were adjusted that way in beta to deal with mech and marauders. Believe me I was there for it . If you have a problem with thors you can just get NP mixed in your units. You can even shoot the thors cannons if you do NP, simply to waste the energy or use them on other thors. What I'm trying to say is Ultras are a pretty good unit against Thors, but not one end all solution, and that's fine, because they shouldn't be. Morrow actually posted in his thread how its pretty easy to deal with Thors even with the 12 second timer on NP ( since he plays Z now as well ).

Trust me, play with Ultras more vs Terran and you'll come back to me like this : :O
True, I wasn't in beta but I have read enough to know about blizzard changing their armor and what they were supposed to counter. It's not a problem with thor, it's more along the lines of a tier 3 unit with a similar cost and with much less features should be take to takedown a tier 2.5 unit since it's the hard counter to it. I have yet to try NP in my games, same with fungal growth. I usually try to get mutas fast, along with expansion and some roaches+zerglings for defense in the meantime. I'll definitely give them a try if I find that I reached a stalemate with an opponent or if I have the resources

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Don't forget I play Z as well! I know it's not as much as my Terran but I've also wrecked Terrans and Tosses with Ultra's too.

And for bio vs Ultras... telling you mix up some banes and a couple infestors... or even just infestors... and kiting is just gone entirely.

As for costs 2 marines vs hydras... I mean in some situations the marines are better... but hydras vs anything with a ton of hp / armor and they are far more effective than marines. Same goes for spells like FG, and storm.
Don't worry, I didn't forget Infestors's IT are great in groups but not by themselves. Hydras are definitely better in that aspect, mostly wanted to do a comparison between the two. Can you imagine if Blizzard decided to change them back to hydras in SC1? Wow, I would tech straight to hydras then and get air probably a bit later. Either way, I think zerg is a great race, however, having no AA unit until hydras which is tier 3 is the biggest problem with the race and I dislike it. I know they switched their position with roaches, but, I still prefer hydras over them. While you can push with zerglings early on, terrans usually wall of by then and not sure about protoss though.
    
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Since when are hydras tier 3?
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Since when are hydras tier 3?
They are tier 2. He is mistaken.


I prefer roach for my main force TBH. Hydra's are OK though.

And you can't think that tier x should always beat tier x either. Besides, the cost is about even and the thor lives with 20 hp or something. I'd hardly call that a huge disadvantage.
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True, I wasn't in beta but I have read enough to know about blizzard changing their armor and what they were supposed to counter. It's not a problem with thor, it's more along the lines of a tier 3 unit with a similar cost and with much less features should be take to takedown a tier 2.5 unit since it's the hard counter to it. I have yet to try NP in my games, same with fungal growth. I usually try to get mutas fast, along with expansion and some roaches+zerglings for defense in the meantime. I'll definitely give them a try if I find that I reached a stalemate with an opponent or if I have the resources


Don't worry, I didn't forget Infestors's IT are great in groups but not by themselves. Hydras are definitely better in that aspect, mostly wanted to do a comparison between the two. Can you imagine if Blizzard decided to change them back to hydras in SC1? Wow, I would tech straight to hydras then and get air probably a bit later. Either way, I think zerg is a great race, however, having no AA unit until hydras which is tier 3 is the biggest problem with the race and I dislike it. I know they switched their position with roaches, but, I still prefer hydras over them. While you can push with zerglings early on, terrans usually wall of by then and not sure about protoss though.
Are you sure you even play Zerg? Because Zerg w/ out infestor or ultra experience does not sound like a Zerg player to me. It should be no surprise to me that you make it seem MMM and mech are stronger than they actually are.
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I went 0-7 last night playing a bunch of diamonds ranked 1 & 2 in their division =( I dont think Ive ever lost 5 or more games in a row
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I've lost 6 in a row a few times. I've also won more than that in a row a few times. Which reminds me: In beta they recorded your longest win streak. That was awesome. FU Blizzard.
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My problem with the whole early expand thing (and that may be because i'm still in gold or something and random *#$)(*$)(*s attack early) is that it's so utterly vulnerable to any early attacks they do... marines and specially marauders just LOLOLOLOLOL at the hatchery as they blast it down like crazy, tons of zealots or stalkers seem to pound it into the ground, argh argh argh
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I love early expansions as Zerg. I even tell my practice partners when I'm hatching before pool to try and stop me .
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I've lost 6 in a row a few times. I've also won more than that in a row a few times. Which reminds me: In beta they recorded your longest win streak. That was awesome. FU Blizzard.
Yea I dont think I did that horribly against them though. I held my own fairly well for a while then they just outplayed me.

I miss the win streak too. I also miss the option to right click on a player's name in a chat box and adding them to your buddy list. Now you have to ask the player for their code or email. I wonder if Blizzard kills animals.
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