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Holy crap LotV archon mode with randoms is frustrating. Guy kept saying "I'll handle macro" then takes ultras pre splits too early, attacks with small amounts of corrupters into superior viking counts, keeps grabbing roaches from the ultras and splits them when we're fighting 4 base mech and refuses to listen when I tell him we're starving the terran out because they have 4 bases and we have 12. Nevermind we only had 12 because I was making additional hatcheries since he wasn't macroing...still won even though he kept splitting up the army we needed together since we knew where the mech ball was and could attack it directly.

Then as Protoss he wants to all-in, cool, so we go for it and he constantly grabs stalkers and kites them back with no need as Im trying to trade shields for free hits on the bio units. He want to focus down the depot instead while they're pumping bio which is gonna snowball if we don't chip away at it.

Guy was supposed to be daimond as random. If that's true he must have won off of people not opening right due to late scout. Who the hell takes a line of ultras, constantly pulls them back and gets half the army killed consistently/never groups when you can attack into a centralized terran mech ball with the uber buffed ultras. Nevermind throwing away 8 broodlords for no reason against a PF+vikings by splitting the army up...

He was pretty good at terran though. I'll give him that.

I don't think he understood the concept of taking a line of units lead by ultras and splitting them as you enter combat so only 1-2 ultras take significant damage rather than several as they fold out from behind. It's a freaking cavalry tactic irl for christ sakes. -.- It's designed to get a concave with powerful units, letting a few take the brunt of the attack so the others can clean up.

Okay rant done.

P.S. lotv beta, I'm starting to beat dai and koreans. Im getting stretched to my utmost limit doing it as z and still lose to certain things, having a hard time vs liberators. Other than that though Im loving the game.

ZvZ is by far my favorite MU. It's so scrappy and your micro has to be split second. Ling/bane wars so quickly makes even the slightest mistake devastating - and potentially game ending, I love it though, especially transitioning into mutas behind it and just controlling the game state, forcing lots of spores while the lings and banes force spines and roaches.

It's intense.
Edited by DIYDeath - 10/21/15 at 10:47pm
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ZvZ has always been that. It is rough. Somedays i rock it and others i just leave the game and queue again.

Im considering doing my old strat of pure ling banen infestor into Ultra 3-4 base. It pwns roach hydra. I dont kbow how it will work with lurkers though.
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ZvZ has always been that. It is rough. Somedays i rock it and others i just leave the game and queue again.

Im considering doing my old strat of pure ling banen infestor into Ultra 3-4 base. It pwns roach hydra. I dont kbow how it will work with lurkers though.

In theory, not well xD. Well until you start money shotting with ravagers. I think the main issue might be affording that unit comp - or finding an opponent who doesn't just die to LMB before further transition is needed. But that's just me, I play super aggressive and in incements, that unit comp seems like you'd want to be more defensive.
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So TIL Disruptors hard counter hellion/cyclone biggrin.gif. Hellion Cyclone depends on the move speed but the speed of the Disruptor projectile is actually faster than both of them.

At least in TvZ you can kinda make hellion cyclone actually work... probably one of the most fun compositions I've played with.
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So TIL Disruptors hard counter hellion/cyclone biggrin.gif. Hellion Cyclone depends on the move speed but the speed of the Disruptor projectile is actually faster than both of them.

At least in TvZ you can kinda make hellion cyclone actually work... probably one of the most fun compositions I've played with.

Do you think that new terran is more focused on gimmicks? Playing vs them that's the distinct impression I'm getting, they're feeling more like HotS Protoss in PvZ, at least for me.
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Do you think that new terran is more focused on gimmicks? Playing vs them that's the distinct impression I'm getting, they're feeling more like HotS Protoss in PvZ, at least for me.
Hmmm I don't know tbh. I can't tell.
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Hmmm I don't know tbh. I can't tell.

Same, I just got beta so I don't think Im qualified to say for certain. It just feels that way with things like libertator mineral line harass+the mass mines Ive been seeing. Not that I mind it, well I kinda don't like AtG on the Liberator. It deals way too much damage to light units but I get why the damage is high, needs to be so Terran can actually deal with ultras and not have to get ghosts - but it just mulches things like hydras which seems a tad bit silly. Your thoughts on that interaction?
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Same, I just got beta so I don't think Im qualified to say for certain. It just feels that way with things like libertator mineral line harass+the mass mines Ive been seeing. Not that I mind it, well I kinda don't like AtG on the Liberator. It deals way too much damage to light units but I get why the damage is high, needs to be so Terran can actually deal with ultras and not have to get ghosts - but it just mulches things like hydras which seems a tad bit silly. Your thoughts on that interaction?

I don't know about mass mines, I would imagine it's no better or worse than HotS since they are unchanged.

Liberators are extremely powerful, no doubt about that. Probably one of the best Terran units in the game, and their anti-ground mode is pretty nuts (but not without its weaknesses). I think for the most part slowing down the AiG like they did stopped the biggest problem with the worker harassment, now almost every race should have the tools to deal with them properly by the time its out. Blizzard specifically mentioned they are looking into the AiG range if it is a problem. The liberator feels like it's meant to be a Valkyrie + a BW siege tank in damage/zoning. They cannot reduce the AiG damage much without some sort of other buff, which would have gone to the tank before they made tanks pickupable.

They are even powerful enough to make mech able to destroy Protoss ground.... now if only I could figure out a way to deal with Skytoss biggrin.gif.
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I don't know about mass mines, I would imagine it's no better or worse than HotS since they are unchanged.

Liberators are extremely powerful, no doubt about that. Probably one of the best Terran units in the game, and their anti-ground mode is pretty nuts (but not without its weaknesses). I think for the most part slowing down the AiG like they did stopped the biggest problem with the worker harassment, now almost every race should have the tools to deal with them properly by the time its out. Blizzard specifically mentioned they are looking into the AiG range if it is a problem. The liberator feels like it's meant to be a Valkyrie + a BW siege tank in damage/zoning. They cannot reduce the AiG damage much without some sort of other buff, which would have gone to the tank before they made tanks pickupable.

They are even powerful enough to make mech able to destroy Protoss ground.... now if only I could figure out a way to deal with Skytoss biggrin.gif.

Yeah, mass mines is just annoying. It's not anything beyond that. Focus fire before they burrow usually clears them up nicely, so does sending in 4 lings and having the friendly fire kill terran units.

Personally I'd just give Liberator AtG a significat damage nerf and compensate by making up the difference through a +damage to armored. I think the issue is mostly to do with AtG just killing ground based aa too fast due to the insane amounts of damage to light units.
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I think most people are probably playing abusively. That is fast liberators on maps with lots of open air space around expansions is abusive of the range and attack power of liberators.
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ZvZ has always been that. It is rough. Somedays i rock it and others i just leave the game and queue again.

Im considering doing my old strat of pure ling banen infestor into Ultra 3-4 base. It pwns roach hydra. I dont kbow how it will work with lurkers though.

I think at higher leagues there are lots of problems with that strategy. Ling bane into muta, and then into ultra, however, is still quite viable. Based on my limited experience with zerg streams, that seems to be the major theme of ZvZ lately.
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