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That's because Parasitic Bomb got nerfed to the pointof not beating Liberators anymore and it's kinda hard to make more units when Liberators kill all your larva. tongue.gif

Make them more often, they give terran free wins consistently and are a key piece to mech being good right now.

I did feel like parasitic bomb was a little bit less powerful, but damn it's still really good. I wouldn't call those free wins either, since Zerg has more than enough tools for them at frickin fusion core tech lol. Liberators are still extremely beatable, like I said they just have a bit of a learning curve. I will say be glad you play Protoss you have it best against them IMO.

Anyway I've been so close to Masters I can taste it. I'm really hoping for that promotion soon.
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I did feel like parasitic bomb was a little bit less powerful, but damn it's still really good. I wouldn't call those free wins either, since Zerg has more than enough tools for them at frickin fusion core tech lol. Liberators are still extremely beatable, like I said they just have a bit of a learning curve. I will say be glad you play Protoss you have it best against them IMO.

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Hydras get 1 shotted, Queens can't be batch produced/are limited to 1 per hatchery at a time for production, Mutas are just...you have to massively out number the libs and then hope they don't have enough libs to one shot the flock. Corrupters are better but same deal applies. If there's enough Liberators they'll one-two shot all of the lumped ones.

Spores work but spores can't fully deny Liberators.

That in itself is problematic but okay, whatever. What makes them overpowered is the medivatnks and bio that operate under them beccause liberators can be easily mass produced without cutting into bio produccction and barely scratching the tank production.

PB isn't a 1 button answer. It doesn't deal damage fast enough to kill if the terran micros unless you have 1000+ gas invested strictly into vipers...which get countered by Liberators as well.

It certainly is a free win when you sacrfiice 4 Liberators to kill the zerg's entire larva bank so they can't make units to defend even the most menial bio-meditank-liberator push.
Edited by DIYDeath - 3/1/16 at 3:10pm
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Hydras get 1 shotted, Queens can't be batch produced/are limited to 1 per hatchery at a time for production, Mutas are just...you have to massively out number the libs and then hope they don't have enough libs to one shot the flock. Corrupters are better but same deal applies. If there's enough Liberators they'll one-two shot all of the lumped ones.

Spores work but spores can't fully deny Liberators.

That in itself is problematic but okay, whatever. What makes them overpowered is the medivatnks and bio that operate under them beccause liberators can be easily mass produced without cutting into bio produccction and barely scratching the tank production.

PB isn't a 1 button answer. It doesn't deal damage fast enough to kill if the terran micros unless you have 1000+ gas invested strictly into vipers...which get countered by Liberators as well.

It certainly is a free win when you sacrfiice 4 Liberators to kill the zerg's entire larva bank so they can't make units to defend even the most menial bio-meditank-liberator push.

Usually it just means pre-splitting your corruptors or mutas just like terran is doing vs PB. At my level the Zergs are really good at pre splitting, and once you get it down corruptors take so many hits that your liberators are not cost effective even with the splash. Keep in mind I am a mech player, I do think that bio w/ tank liberator could be an issue, but for pure mech I would even go as far as saying its a Zerg advantage. Doesn't mean I'll change my style though.
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Usually it just means pre-splitting your corruptors or mutas just like terran is doing vs PB. At my level the Zergs are really good at pre splitting, and once you get it down corruptors take so many hits that your liberators are not cost effective even with the splash. Keep in mind I am a mech player, I do think that bio w/ tank liberator could be an issue, but for pure mech I would even go as far as saying its a Zerg advantage. Doesn't mean I'll change my style though.

If the terran player has 10+ liberators unless you pre split into a good 4+ groups, it's not gonna help too much because that many liberators start one shotting.

I don't think mech can afford mass liberators but bio+a few mech units like tansk and mines can and as we all know, marines do really well vs air units as well.
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If the terran player has 10+ liberators unless you pre split into a good 4+ groups, it's not gonna help too much because that many liberators start one shotting.

I don't think mech can afford mass liberators but bio+a few mech units like tansk and mines can and as we all know, marines do really well vs air units as well.

Yep rines would make a huge difference. Mech really doesn't have any cheap effective AA units like that...

But yeah I still see most Zergs do really well vs liberators even when I have a bunch, they've gotten the corruptor math down. thumb.gif

*edit* watching vibe, he's talking about how split corruptors own split liberators. Also giving stream watchers some advice on ravager infestor combos to really destroy them mid-game.
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Yep rines would make a huge difference.

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For lesser-skilled players like me (playing Silver/Gold), Liberators are indeed cancer. especially with early game harassment rolleyes.gif Luckily at the time one of my main strats as zerg allowed me to have ravagers at about the same time they started arriving so countering was relatively easy then, not sure how things are now.

Unfortunately microing air vs ~6-10 libs was at times quite the ball-ache when dealing with ground too, and pairing bio/medvac could just let them steam-roll me in confrontations

I've taken a break just because those and the general cheesing were ruining the fun for me (yeah yeah, I know I should just 'git-gud-scrub' rolleyes.gif), but how likely do you guys think it is that the Liberator will be nerfed in a meaningful way? That is if you feel it needs to/can be.
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Was that ma- exhausting to write? smile.gif

Yeah, that's time I could have put to playing! jk.
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For lesser-skilled players like me (playing Silver/Gold), Liberators are indeed cancer. especially with early game harassment rolleyes.gif Luckily at the time one of my main strats as zerg allowed me to have ravagers at about the same time they started arriving so countering was relatively easy then, not sure how things are now.

Unfortunately microing air vs ~6-10 libs was at times quite the ball-ache when dealing with ground too, and pairing bio/medvac could just let them steam-roll me in confrontations

I've taken a break just because those and the general cheesing were ruining the fun for me (yeah yeah, I know I should just 'git-gud-scrub' rolleyes.gif), but how likely do you guys think it is that the Liberator will be nerfed in a meaningful way? That is if you feel it needs to/can be.

It's been the same way for banelings for us all these years, you can't possibly design a game to be balanced for every skill level.
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Yeah, that's time I could have put to playing! jk.
It's been the same way for banelings for us all these years, you can't possibly design a game to be balanced for every skill level.

Liberators are a bit different. Banelings suck pretty bad vs mech. Liberators are good vs everything. That's why in pro games you see some games end with mass Liberator, because when an army accompanies them and fights under their freedom circles not much beats it.

Liberators are pretty much the only unit in the game that handily countes its counters when used correctly. Nevermind the harass, Liberator harass is fairly easy to shoo away. It's when they're used to zone out armies from tanks and marines.

In essence, tank+liberator+bio is the new mech, it doom pushes faster and sooner while being more effective for less resources.

I've found the trick to beating mass Liberator-based compositions is DO NOT LET THEM GET THERE. If they get 10+ Liberators and you're not already making tempests or mass corrupters you've lost the game. Kind of like how if Terran let zerg get mass Ultras and they're not already making Ghosts or Mass Liberators, they've lost the game.
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Liberators are a bit different. Banelings suck pretty bad vs mech. Liberators are good vs everything. That's why in pro games you see some games end with mass Liberator, because when an army accompanies them and fights under their freedom circles not much beats it.

Liberators are pretty much the only unit in the game that handily countes its counters when used correctly. Nevermind the harass, Liberator harass is fairly easy to shoo away. It's when they're used to zone out armies from tanks and marines.

In essence, tank+liberator+bio is the new mech, it doom pushes faster and sooner while being more effective for less resources.

I've found the trick to beating mass Liberator-based compositions is DO NOT LET THEM GET THERE. If they get 10+ Liberators and you're not already making tempests or mass corrupters you've lost the game. Kind of like how if Terran let zerg get mass Ultras and they're not already making Ghosts or Mass Liberators, they've lost the game.

As a mech player I try to avoid late game I still think that's Terran's weakest area, especially vs Protoss. Honestly I'm thinking I'd be better off 2 base all inning with mech. And yeah banes aren't good vs mech but mech is still such a niche, and over all banelings are probably more game winning than liberators still and with much less of an investment.
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