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Spire isn't needed for liberators, in fact many zerg's only add spire after ultra tech. Liberator openings are easily delt with using 3 queens, or on hard to hit maps, a spore. Ravangers do extremely well against them and it's probably why the roach ravanger infestor into ultras is so strong right now. Terran's almost always go into liberators at some point and Ravengers seem to be the best unit choice for dealing with them. Lately zerg's seem to mostly defend until ultras, with perhaps a mid game push to trade out units (roaches aren't supply efficient so it's better not to let the opponent hit max), if the opponent isn't attacking. Ultras force a considerable change up of units for Terran and reaching them early in the game often catches Terran with their pants down. They really need ghosts or a high liberator count to deal with ultras, but with how well ravengers do against liberators it's not too hard to deal with them. Just don't blindly walk into the liberator zone and expect to come out the other end.

Spire is usually added to help deal with medivacs when their numbers get too high. Picking off medivacs with ravengers and fungle can prevent the need to add spire, but it's usually a good investment after ultras are on the field.

ZvP
Most people and even pro's aren't playing against protoss correctly. Quick ling speed (well, after 2nd base), into a saturated 3rd. Stop mining gas until the 3rd base is reaching saturation. Put guys back on gas and take a 2nd gas to go into lair, then add more gas as drones allow. Play around with the 2nd gas and lair timing a bit to get a feel for when to do it. Later is better for economy, but you might want to cut it a little closer for tech.

Make every effort to deny protoss their 3rd base. Drop creep on it with an overlord (hold position the overlord so it doesn't fly away after the first shot), and make a wave of zerglings as ling speed is finishing. Be sure to pick off any pylons you can while they are going down, it's the pylons and photon overcharge that stop early 3rd base aggression. By denying the protoss 3rd base, even just a minute, zerg is able to fully saturate their 3rd base and throw their entire production against protoss before their 3rd is up and running. It allows zerg to trade poorly and still win the engagement.

Most pros are not correctly denying expansions. Opponents are freely able to take their 3rd, 4th, and even 5th without repercussions. Spotting and denial is the key to victory.
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Good tips! Hit diamond today in 26 games, and I'm feeling this meta out. Probably won't hit masters again till next season (ladder locks tomorrow right?)
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Hello Boys!

I've fallen back in love with this game. Haven't played for like 3 years now, but god am I loving it. Going to play though the campaign (never finished it before, didn't even start on the HOTS), and look for when there's a deal on LOTV.

Played a few ranked matches and god I'm awful haha. Was diamond when I stopped, and have now been placed in bronze, which I totally deserve.

I've been relearning hotkeys as I used to use TheCore before and wanted to swap back to the defaults, but they just didn't feel right. Now the new version of TheCore is different from what I remember, so that's a learning curve I need to overcome.

Also I think I want to play Random instead of Toss. But even with just the few games I've played, it's going to take a lot of work to try and remember timings and actually make sense of scouting information. I would then play each game just trying to macro up a 'standard' good composition and macro my opponents out of the game.

If I stick to Toss I would try to learn harassment focussed builds. Think a long the line of (2-immortal) drop harass, phoenix builds, or something with Adepts... I don't even know what's legit haha

What are some fun/sick harassment focussed builds? Adepts are the thing nowadays right?

E:

Bronze is exhausting. Bunch of week 1 base push attempts. The amount of turtling is obscene.

E2:

Whoo promoted to Silver! ez GG
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Been playing random here. Fun stuff
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I've been having problems with running the game under wine. When it works it works well, but sometimes the game crashes a few seconds into a match. I'm not sure if blizzard counts the game but oh well...

On that note, with 3.4 it's gotten worse, but after crashing my placement game I was placed in Gold (1), and after winning the next game I was promoted to Plat (3)! Whoo back to diamond asap haha.

Still much to improve on mechanically speaking.

How does everyone like the new visible mmr system?
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A LAN center opened up near me and SC2 is one of the only games that I would still be interested in playing there. Guess I'll come out of retirement for hopefully some local matches.
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I started the campaign from scratch yesterday, first time playing SC2 for 2 years. The game seems to be in top shape, some good updates have gone through.
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I've been having problems with running the game under wine. When it works it works well, but sometimes the game crashes a few seconds into a match. I'm not sure if blizzard counts the game but oh well...

On that note, with 3.4 it's gotten worse, but after crashing my placement game I was placed in Gold (1), and after winning the next game I was promoted to Plat (3)! Whoo back to diamond asap haha.

Still much to improve on mechanically speaking.

How does everyone like the new visible mmr system?

I am allll about the mmr showing.


@Doom. - I am off of SC2 till Aug. 9th. Then I will be playing again. Wanna 1v1 for practice(fun) before you get all Masters rank again?
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I've been watching some LOTV streams, and was wondering. When the game was in beta, they had things like auto-inject for queens didn't they? What ever happened to that? I mean I'm happy they removed it but as interested if anyone know more about it...
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I am allll about the mmr showing.


@Doom. - I am off of SC2 till Aug. 9th. Then I will be playing again. Wanna 1v1 for practice(fun) before you get all Masters rank again?

I was skeptical at first, I really liked it being hidden, and just not really worrying about the score and just enjoying that fact that my opponents were about level and that (almost) each match was a hard fought victory.

But now that I've been playing with it, it's been a pleasure and I'm really enjoying it being visible. Could also have to do with that I'm winning almost all of my games. 95% of my losses are my client crashing frown.gif



I seem to have fixed the crashes so I decided to buy lotv.

Macro is so different in this game. So many minerals, mined out main sooooo fast, constant chronoboost. This stuff is weird! I don't know if I can keep playing random. I have no idea what to do ever...

Welp back to bronze it is.
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I am allll about the mmr showing.


@Doom. - I am off of SC2 till Aug. 9th. Then I will be playing again. Wanna 1v1 for practice(fun) before you get all Masters rank again?


Sure, let me know when.

I did end up going to that LAN center, my first interaction with the new league changes, had to get placed. I got Diamond right away, did they get rid of MMR decay finally? Went 1-2, but almost won one of the two I lost. Not too shabby for not having played in a ton of months.


But yeah playing at the LAN center just didn't compare to playing at home on my own setup. I would have liked to have met some more SC2 players, that would have made it worth it. I guess there aren't many around lol.



And Masters? Psh, I won't be getting masters again, maybe never again. Too hard.
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