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Why would they want to increase the range for roaches.... if they increase it, they'll be a buff up hydra...
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Here's what i see...

The balance changes in our next patch will primarily focus on improving the zerg.



Here are a few of the changes we currently have planned:

* We're increasing roach range. This will allow roaches to be more effective in large groups, giving the zerg more options in the mid to end game.

* Fungal Growth will now prevent Blink, which will give zerg a way to stop endlessly Blinking stalkers which can be very challenging to deal with in large numbers.

* The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.

* The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

* We're making a number of increases to the health of zerg buildings, which will make the very vulnerable zerg technology structures more resistant to raids. We don’t expect these hit point changes to have a super significant impact on the game, but the current numbers felt way too low.
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I have no clue too. The pendulum would swing so much in zerg's favor in this case as all the updates there benefit zerg, doesn't sound realistic
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Thanks puzzledazn. Can't imagine anyone using reapers in 1v1 now, maybe 1 for control of a xel naga tower, that's about it. Also this update gives free range for zerg to expand first in zvt as rax first then supply almost always stopped the 14 hatch as well as giving them some breathing room on not being forced to go roaches to counter vultures, but with the roach upgrade, you might as well just go roaches.
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The numbers are so high for protoss, because most of the new players play protoss, because that's like the easiest race to win and learn with
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THings to note underlined.

1. If your opponent is going cannons, he CANT HAVE THAT MANY UNITS. so you DONT NEED TO MAKE ANY. DRONE UP!!!!! YEAH!!! Make 6 lings and move around the perimeter to scout what you can and take ALL the xel naga towers with a ling and place lords around. You can move the lings in and out of his natural to hinder his expo from going down while you saturate your main and your expo(s). Dont rely only on the drone to scout or only on the towers to warn you or only on the overlords to see. Use EVERYTHING.

2. To make sure you respond adequately to whatever the opponent does, send your exploration drone at 10 supply. Run up in his base and look around EVERYWHERE. if he only makes a forge, great, youknow to take your natural expansion and drone up. try to keep the drone in his base alive, moving around and using the queue move.

3. You are making waaaay too many type of units. as a zerg, you should not make units JUST IN CASE. make that pool, upgrade to lair. make the hydra den and the upgrade, since hydra is ALWAYS good against protoss, even against colossi, at least you have a base unit and you can support it with corruptors, brood lords, ultras, infestors or lings. but dont comit unit you explore once that den is down. rhed5 is right, I dont think i will ever recomend anyone go banelings vs protoss ...

4. Once the den is down , evolve a lord into an overseer or just send an overlord and look at his base. look EVERYWHERE you can you can to see what he is going for, even if you have to sac the overseer/overlord (you shouldnt mind since you macro better while he went defense. If you see a lot of gateways, throw down a roach warden and a spire (example: 6 gateways and 2 robo bays). If you see a LOT of stargates, make a spire and just upgrade your hydra attacks and carapace.

Once you have the spire up and you see colossi, spawn corruptors. for each colossus you see, make about 3 corruptors. DONT worry about what to do with them once the colossi are dead.( you tech up and get the dreaded Brood Lord. I have NEVER lost a game against toss when I had 5 brood lords up) Even when he makes phoenix after, its usually to late cause i can already make corruptors and hydraz.
If you see only gateway units, make a lot of hydraz and tech up to hive for the Ultralisk.

5. I ALWAYS make 2 Queens per hatchery. You dont have to get two right away, but get one each at least, and then another when you can afford it. WHy? later on you may need to transfuse, OR you can just use the extra queen to make a crapload of creep tumors and you can see almost everything if on the map if your opponent is turtling. problem is at the begining when you only have one queen, you cant really make larvae AND make creep tumors. Creep tumors will help keep units away especially if you send it up to most expos. At some point on blistering sand I had creep going up to both xel naga towers. It was awesome, he couldnt sneak ANYTHING close.
I disagree with point #3. If your opponent is massing due to you scouting, then obviously you aren't going to wait until he plans to attack before building some units yourself, but, yes, you shouldn't saturate your supply and should always scout your opponent. Getting the towers early in the game can help as well As for the creep tumours, yes, I love the fact that you can actually see the map due to them which means that you can spread it all over and see exactly what he is doing as well as prevent expansions

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Here's what i see...

The balance changes in our next patch will primarily focus on improving the zerg.

Here are a few of the changes we currently have planned:

* We're increasing roach range. This will allow roaches to be more effective in large groups, giving the zerg more options in the mid to end game.

* Fungal Growth will now prevent Blink, which will give zerg a way to stop endlessly Blinking stalkers which can be very challenging to deal with in large numbers.

* The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.

* The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

* We're making a number of increases to the health of zerg buildings, which will make the very vulnerable zerg technology structures more resistant to raids. We don’t expect these hit point changes to have a super significant impact on the game, but the current numbers felt way too low.
hmm, I like the roaches range since it's range was too little and at choke points especially against stalkers they get devoured. The fungal growth one is also good, since, they technically shouldn't be able to blink out and the building health is also great, means that structures require that much more damage, wondering if they will up crawlers, doubt that though I don't agree with the barracks/supply depot one though. I mean, it's true that you have to build a depot either way, so, you can build marines and all this does is flip around your build order(11-barracks, 12-depot becomes 11-depot, 12-barracks), but, it just seems limiting to a terran player especially since 6 pooling sounds like a strong counter to that. Likewise, I think the reaper idea isn't bad, but, maybe they could have just increased the cost instead of moving it to the factory. Either way, I can still see reaper being a viable early game option for harassement due to the fact that they can jump cliffs. I do find it odd that they haven't done much to protoss since their win rate against T is ~60% but I think those are coming. Nice patch so far

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I have no clue too. The pendulum would swing so much in zerg's favor in this case as all the updates there benefit zerg, doesn't sound realistic
Not really, roaches needed extended range, stalkers shouldn't be able to blink out of fungal growth since it's supposed to constraint units and zerg buildings are weak in hp compared to their counterparts. It won't change much but will at least make roaches more viable early game and mean that zerg buildings last longer. The fungal growth was aimed more at stalkers than anything else
    
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I understand your point, I feel that if they increase the range, hydras may get more obsolete. Everyone is gonna go straight for roach warren. Their armor is crazy and with range.... GEE GEE
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