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Void ray sucks. I have a ton of losses from void ray spam. The P player just walls in on one base and build about 5 void rays and then munches everything. VRs make the zerg buildings collapse like they're made of cardboard. The mobility of the VRs is especially annoying. They can hit and run and probe for soft spots like my mutas do, but they're way more powerful than mutas. P can get a big VR ball up and running before I can even come close to having enough firepower to destroy the P base. I'd like to see a speed nerf for VR. Make them a little clumsy and slow.
Scout them early, hydras/mutas, a bit of micro (don't let them charge up on one muta/hydra, move it away) = lots of dead void rays
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Anyone else playing in the MSI EG tournament?

Just won my round 2 match, and if I win round 3, I'll be playing HuK in round 4.

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Anyone else playing in the MSI EG tournament?

Just won my round 2 match, and if I win round 3, I'll be playing HuK in round 4.

lol.
Lol, do you play as random in tournaments as well? Gl to you. If I was about to play HuK I'd practice my build orders for like 10 hours a day.

Btw where can I find some info about upcoming tournaments which are going on, where to register and stuff. I'd like to take part in some, even just for lulz.
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Lol, do you play as random in tournaments as well? Gl to you. If I was about to play HuK I'd practice my build orders for like 10 hours a day.

Btw where can I find some info about upcoming tournaments which are going on, where to register and stuff. I'd like to take part in some, even just for lulz.
Teamliquid.
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This game's so addicting... I haven't won a single game (out of 8 games) since I skipped Practice League, but damn, I can't stop playing!

I don't care if I lose, I'll probably improve with time, but it's just so addicting... I want MOAR!!!11!111!!!!1

On the negative side though... I can't play for ****! I'm probably one of the noobiest guys to ever touch StarCraft, as pretty much anyone beats me in a match.
oh trust me, your not as bad as me!
i cant even win against the computer on medium difficulty!

also, my void ray rushes need more stratagy. i always attack from the back and CHARGED MAH LAZOR at the the command center first. is that wise? or should i go for the barracks first?

i always loose anyway
should i use more zealots and stalkers with ~3 vrays for air support?
btw i like protoss!
    
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big fan,sorry i went offline randomly the other night my internet droped mid game = (
oh, np Don't mind it, although, it was rather odd that you randomly disappeared

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This is my first league game, third multiplayer game ever. Practice league, but whatever.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/8...t-oasis#rd:dna

Mass marine&marauder, usually works pretty well. He basically stays bottled up while I get an early expand to gold and build up a big infantry army. I have a couple of bobbles; I try a reaper sneak, but because this is the practice map there's hardly anyplace for reapers to jump up so they get stomped. A failed attack early on, etc.

In the end I sent in ~40 marines and ~20 marauders, smash through the front wall of cannon, micro down the pylons for the rest, and he calls gg. I had vikings building up in case the attack failed, to drop in the middle of his base and wreck what little economy he had.

Please critique. I'm a noob, only reason I've done as well as I have is because I watched Day9 quite a bit before jumping in.
I haven't looked at it yet, but, MMM balls are pretty strong and usually are the main reason that I've lost my games against Terran I'll comment once I get a chance to watch it

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Scout them early, hydras/mutas, a bit of micro (don't let them charge up on one muta/hydra, move it away) = lots of dead void rays
I think while hydras have a higher dps than mutalisks, they can't outrun void rays even on creep, but, not sure, will need to test this out. Basically, if you play zerg, this is the perfect counter for void rays(mutalisks).

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Anyone else playing in the MSI EG tournament?

Just won my round 2 match, and if I win round 3, I'll be playing HuK in round 4.

lol.
not really, no, but, that sounds rather interesting. I would love to play against someone like HuK just for the purpose of playing against a pro player. If you do get to play against him, I suggest you post those replays

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Teamliquid.
Thanks, +REP. Should be fun to join a tourney

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oh trust me, your not as bad as me!
i cant even win against the computer on medium difficulty!

also, my void ray rushes need more stratagy. i always attack from the back and CHARGED MAH LAZOR at the the command center first. is that wise? or should i go for the barracks first?

i always loose anyway
should i use more zealots and stalkers with ~3 vrays for air support?
btw i like protoss!
I don't play protoss but I can give you the following tips which apply even to other races:
- Try not to get supply blocked
- Keep making probes
- Keep scouting
- Consider counters and build them when you find what units your opponent is building
- Try to constantly harass your opponent
- Make a strong economy by trying to saturate your mineral line as well as your gas
- Expand early, not sure when for protoss, zerg is 14 or so
- Try to expand if your opponent is turtling, since, this will allow for more minerals and gas which you could use to make units and upgrade weapons, armor, etc....
- Work on your micro skills, since, everyone needs to work on them. Example is stalker has higher range than roach, so, you can get a hit in and then move back or blink, get another, etc.... basically kiting.
- Also learn the different abilities and think about their various uses: A sentry's forcefield can help divide an army in half making it easier to take them on and guardian shield reduces damage. Likewise, storm can help with MMM balls and against large groups of opponents as well as feedback is good against enemies with energy such as bc, corruptors, etc....
- Watch some replays of pros to see their build and how they play.
Alternatively, you could post some replays for us to look at and give some recommdations.

These apply to all the different races, expect for the ability one since I used specific protoss ones. Hope it helps

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Marines.

We're trying out last week's funday monday. Tried zealot/hydra/medivac (LOL) and then zealot/hydra/raven and we got raped twice in a row by banelings xD
Marines hard counter void rays, however, once they charge up, those marines are history unless you stim away and then reattack once they un-charge.


Just had a couple of 4 vs 4 with thiru/nevaziah/epona trying out last weeks's funday monday day9 idea. We won the first two easily with mutalisks/helions/stalkers/banenlings, but, the last two, we decided to go for casters, so, one game was infestor/sentry/high templar with marines and we got wiped out by thors, brood lords, hydras and roaches
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This game's so addicting... I haven't won a single game (out of 8 games) since I skipped Practice League, but damn, I can't stop playing!

I don't care if I lose, I'll probably improve with time, but it's just so addicting... I want MOAR!!!11!111!!!!1

On the negative side though... I can't play for ****! I'm probably one of the noobiest guys to ever touch StarCraft, as pretty much anyone beats me in a match.
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This is my first league game, third multiplayer game ever. Practice league, but whatever.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/8...t-oasis#rd:dna

Mass marine&marauder, usually works pretty well. He basically stays bottled up while I get an early expand to gold and build up a big infantry army. I have a couple of bobbles; I try a reaper sneak, but because this is the practice map there's hardly anyplace for reapers to jump up so they get stomped. A failed attack early on, etc.

In the end I sent in ~40 marines and ~20 marauders, smash through the front wall of cannon, micro down the pylons for the rest, and he calls gg. I had vikings building up in case the attack failed, to drop in the middle of his base and wreck what little economy he had.




Please critique. I'm a noob, only reason I've done as well as I have is because I watched Day9 quite a bit before jumping in.
To all the new people out there, google day9 and watch his "newbie tuesdays" episodes. You can watch the other ones too, they're more advanced gameplay analysis but sometimes the subject is for everyone (like the macro style for protoss episode), and in every episode he always has a few comments that newbs can use.

After that you can watch other introductory videos on youtube, or streams (preferably people who comment their actions like Trump for terran or BigT for protoss, or Princezixor for zerg) if you really don't feel ready for ladder.
I would still advise going for ladder even if you don't feel ready.

Practice league is terrible because the game speed is normal instead of faster and there are rocks blocking every pathway, which alters the gameplay severely. Even computers on very hard/insane are better than practice league IMO. If you can get practice partners (someone better preferably), it's even better. I can do this if you want but I only play protoss.
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Lol, do you play as random in tournaments as well? Gl to you. If I was about to play HuK I'd practice my build orders for like 10 hours a day.

Btw where can I find some info about upcoming tournaments which are going on, where to register and stuff. I'd like to take part in some, even just for lulz.
As I already said, TL, but I know that ESL Europe have loads of cups (bronze/silvergold/plat cups every day, no rewards though) as well as more serious cups almost every day of the week (KOTH on one day, late night cup on another, Go4SC2 cup on Wednesday and Sunday which actually have rewards).
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oh trust me, your not as bad as me!
i cant even win against the computer on medium difficulty!

also, my void ray rushes need more stratagy. i always attack from the back and CHARGED MAH LAZOR at the the command center first. is that wise? or should i go for the barracks first?

i always loose anyway
should i use more zealots and stalkers with ~3 vrays for air support?
btw i like protoss!
Go with warpgate units+robotics units against all races, they're much stronger. Using void rays requires luck, no scouting from the other team and micro. Or pure warpgate but that's dangerous if the game lasts too long. Also read the first part of this post.

If people in bronze or silver want a protoss to practice against/with, PM me. It'd be much easier if you have a mic. I can offer a bit of advice for other races too.

edit: I play on both US and EU servers.
Edited by thiru - 10/13/10 at 8:18pm
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forfeited my match tonight after the first game he ended the game in less then 15mins destoryeed me
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forfeited my match tonight after the first game he ended the game in less then 15mins destoryeed me
Are you playing in a tournament?
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i was playing in the msi series
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