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Yeah I give him credit for that. Boxer couldn't even do it in those Blizzcon matches.
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Yeah I give him credit for that. Boxer couldn't even do it in those Blizzcon matches.
Having not seen the game, I can't exactly comment on what he did, however, I think the mistake that was made was expanding early without making some strong defense against the fast marine rush
    
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What do you guys think about my current PvT build (on maps with mid-long rush distances)? I think it's my best matchup at the moment. My macro wasn't so good this game, but I believe the build is quite solid.
You had a pretty solid build order but this is what I would have done differently.

UPGRADE THERMAL LANCE FOR COLOSSI! Most important upgrade for protoss. I think this was your biggest mistake here but luckily it did not matter.

Substitute your 2nd or 3rd gateway for a robo in case banshees come. You could also use this to make an extra immortal or two since all the terran made was marauders

I would have made just one stargate and pump out the phoenix nonstop. Save the rest of the money for warping zealots non-stop.

Ive been favoring storm over colossi against terran since vikes are so easy to make. But colossi can def be better in certain situations.
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we should some some 4v4s!! if anybody is interested
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Having not seen the game, I can't exactly comment on what he did, however, I think the mistake that was made was expanding early without making some strong defense against the fast marine rush
I don't know about that. That marine rush was just totally unexpected so he had no spine crawlers ect. Plus the marines were microed 100% perfect for it to work. It was risky but he got away with it. Hatch first ALWAYS vs Terran, just be ready. He just thought he could drone safely.

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You had a pretty solid build order but this is what I would have done differently.

UPGRADE THERMAL LANCE FOR COLOSSI! Most important upgrade for protoss. I think this was your biggest mistake here but luckily it did not matter.

Substitute your 2nd or 3rd gateway for a robo in case banshees come. You could also use this to make an extra immortal or two since all the terran made was marauders

I would have made just one stargate and pump out the phoenix nonstop. Save the rest of the money for warping zealots non-stop.

Ive been favoring storm over colossi against terran since vikes are so easy to make. But colossi can def be better in certain situations.
Tech switch to Immortals if you see heavy viking ( keyword heavy ).
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I don't know about that. That marine rush was just totally unexpected so he had no spine crawlers ect. Plus the marines were microed 100% perfect for it to work. It was risky but he got away with it. Hatch first ALWAYS vs Terran, just be ready. He just thought he could drone safely.
Even then, it's still kinda disappointing to see someone of his caliber lose to such an attack, since, he always seemed prepared and evaded losing many times. I heard that even in the second game, he didn't change his strat and went 15 hatch like usual, maybe he didn't know other strats well enough? That doesn't make sense due to the amount of time they prepare on a daily basis, so, I'm guessing he thought that the same strat won't be used twice in a row. Suffice to say, he'll likely be more careful next time he plays in GSL3
    
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Well how many times have you been rushed by 4 marines? lol. Yeah he wasn't expecting it either time. You can def beat a marine rush if you think its coming even hatching first. That's why when I practice Z in 1v1 for fun I let people know I'm hatching first. No one has beat me doing it yet. Open challenge to anyone. I know it can lose but if you do any normal style build / rush it's pretty safe. Now against an all in rush it can be dangerous.
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You had a pretty solid build order but this is what I would have done differently.

UPGRADE THERMAL LANCE FOR COLOSSI! Most important upgrade for protoss. I think this was your biggest mistake here but luckily it did not matter.

Substitute your 2nd or 3rd gateway for a robo in case banshees come. You could also use this to make an extra immortal or two since all the terran made was marauders

I would have made just one stargate and pump out the phoenix nonstop. Save the rest of the money for warping zealots non-stop.

Ive been favoring storm over colossi against terran since vikes are so easy to make. But colossi can def be better in certain situations.
The problem is that it's impossible to go high templar on 1 base, and against an aggressive MMM terran it's really hard to expand first without robotics or HT (<-which is what we're trying to get).
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I think you should generally go Colossus first ( better / safer tech path / observer on the way ), and use the colossus to expand / transition into templar. HuK stresses how important it is to use both. Once you get storm + amulet you should be in a great position. It can be difficult before that.
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I think you should generally go Colossus first ( better / safer tech path / observer on the way ), and use the colossus to expand / transition into templar. HuK stresses how important it is to use both. Once you get storm + amulet you should be in a great position. It can be difficult before that.
I prefer to start with robotics yeah. Not to mention it's almost twice as long to get high templar, and you get immortals (and observers) while teching to colossi.
(speaking of which, if you HT first you need to get illusion or robo to be able to scout, that's more gas you don't have).
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