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They are looking at stim. I don't see it though.
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its not even stim its the fact that he can rebuild his whole marine set quickly and cheaply compared to me having to build colus or even dt's
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Protoss have much better replacement mechanics. Sounds like you are just getting out played. Sure Colossus are slow to come out, but with good reason.
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OMG what a game, Boxer vs KyrixZenith... if you missed that kill yourself !
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I know.
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They are looking at stim. I don't see it though.
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its not even stim its the fact that he can rebuild his whole marine set quickly and cheaply compared to me having to build colus or even dt's
Personally, don't think stim is the problem, but, the fact that you can easily make another MMM ball and continue attacking your opponent after the first attack failed eventually wiping them out if they haven't teched enough while repelling it. Example is if you are zerg, you can keep on pumping out slings and make blings to use however 1 bling costs 50/25(25/25 for morphing) and with stim, a MMM ball can easily kite them, since, you'll only have so many of them by the time the second round starts. Terrans keep talking about how zerg has it easy(not the best term) with having a hatchery since we can produce a ton of units at once. It's partially true, since, I can produce 22 ultras at once if I have 11 larvae saved on 2 hatcheries. The problem is first, the costs involved and second, is the fact that if my hatchery is taken out, then it's pretty much GG unless I have the money to replace it and have some army left that can help defend it. Most Ts nowadays build 5-6 barracks and just keep on pumping out marines+marauders which makes it quite easy to keep up with my production. My T opponent last night had 4-5 barracks in his base with reactors+tech labs and then build another 5 in his exp after I took most of those down. Even though it costs 750 minerals for those 5 barracks compared to only costs 350(300+50 drone cost) for my hatchery, they have the peace of mind that if 2-3 barracks are taken out, they can at least use the other remaining 2 to keep production of units while if the enemy attacks and kills my hatchery, my production is stopped completely until it is rebuilt, not to mention that if they take out the pool or roach warren, hydralisk den, etc.... that I can't produce the unit anymore(T has it somewhat similar except marines, hellions, vikings can be built without any attachments, structures, etc.... other than the actual production structure)

TL;DR Having a hatchery is great, but, with most T having 5-6 barracks, they are able to keep up in production with Z as well as queue up units and have a peace of mind that if a barrack or two fall, they can still produce units while they rebuilt unlike when a hatchery goes down. MMM is also pretty powerful and you can remake a force rather quickly with reactors used. It's made deadlier with stim and a player who knows how to micro well

As for your complaint EmMure, well a colossus is tier 3, marine is tier 1, so, it kinda makes sense how they can pump out so quick especially if they have a reactor(kinda makes sense why zerg has a queen now). Just make a lot of zealots and use FF to prevent marauders+marines from kiting them. Of course, storm is very handy against MMM ball as well as dts if you can mix them in with your army. Don't forget about upgrades to armor as well

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OMG what a game, Boxer vs KyrixZenith... if you missed that kill yourself !
lol, I didn't watch it yet and probably won't for a while. Talk about taking things to the next level
    
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Ro8's Day 1 Results

Fake Boxer won 3-2! Yeeee. Props to Kyrix tho, Tastetosis was talking a lot of trash about him when he pulled the super upset on HongUnPrime. He showed them!

NEXGenius Lost! =[ I voted for ITR on the LiquiBet, cause statistically he was the right choice. But I still secretly wanted Genius to win. ITR aka HopeTorture won 3-1

Edited by yks - 11/1/10 at 9:05am
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I haven't read the above reply, although, I did catch the first couple of words and quickly scrolled away. There are still some here including me trying to catch up on the GSL, so, please use spoilers in the meantime
    
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I am sorry BigFan! I will edit the post right now.
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I am sorry BigFan! I will edit the post right now.
It's np, I know you are excited, who isn't? If the stream wasn't at 6 in the morning or so, I would've tried to watch it live to keep up like I did when they had some games at blizzcon or at MLG
    
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