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im toss,uve never seen a mothership rush?go youtube the hukvs drewbie mothership rush its funny
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Originally Posted by lazi punk View Post
just from there, i can see you are not getting the game down yet. How in the world is that a mothership rush. Mothership 1) takes a lot of tech to build 2) its a support unit.

If you are playing zerg, watch more basic zerg tutorial videos. you can either 14 hatch/pool if your opp isn't rushing or 7 pool rush or go 13 pool then roach rush.
He means quickly teching to mothership.
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If you play Terran, you know its all about the Marine. Seriously, Marauders are a one trick pony, and often times hurt more than help.

We aren't kidding when we tell you this.
Most units in sc2 are a 1 trick pony. SC2 is just a huge game of rock/paper/scissors. If marauders "hurt more than help" you wouldn't see them in 95% of terran games.

Hatchery/Nexus health was increased in direct response to marauder insta-gib.

This was my earlier response to rauder QQ:

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Though I agree that Terran currently needs a powerful unit like the rauder to provide firepower, I find that this unit is far too pivotal and degrades the diversity of the game. SC2 has been hugely successful in diversifying zerg and protoss armies, but you almost NEVER see a terran going without marauders.

When facing a terran opponent, I'm 95% sure he'll be massing rauders. Even when I work up a direct counter, I can still end up losing and I think that's lame.

Blizzard needs to tone down rauders and provide terran with alternate strategies. Enough said.
And @ people quoting pros as though their opinion is a final matter.

Remember when those GSL pros said protoss had the advantage in PVT? Everyone was using this as "proof" that protoss had the upper hand. Overall PVT score by the end of the tournament was 2-8.

Though I respect these brilliant minds, it's more important to learn why they're saying this, rather than mindlessly accepting a statement like "terran is too strong, zerg is too strong, protoss is too strong".
    
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On another controversial SC topic, APM!

Try this game and see how it feels to be dishing out constant high APM. It's not easy and it's freaking uncomfortable lol

edit:
My first try (hand's too tired to do it again lol):

score: 6200
Aiming: 49%
APM: 225
Edited by thiru - 11/4/10 at 6:12am
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and the pros still do it! don't be fooled by the replay's apm count. because of the difference between faster and real, the actual apm displayed by replays is actually higher.
I think this may be incorrect. Someone confirm?
    
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I think this may be incorrect. Someone confirm?
If the APM displayed by the replay info tab is at game speed (which is faster than real time speed), then it means the real life APM is lower, yes.

If it shows 60 actions per minute (or per 60 in game seconds), it means about 60 actions per 40 real life seconds. So 60 APM in replays becomes 40 APM in reality.

I think. Lol.
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If the APM displayed by the replay info tab is at game speed (which is faster than real time speed), then it means the real life APM is lower, yes.

If it shows 60 actions per minute (or per 60 in game seconds), it means about 60 actions per 40 real life seconds. So 60 APM in replays becomes 40 APM in reality.

I think. Lol.
I understand, but wouldn't blizzard programmers take this into account, and calculate true apm?
    
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Originally Posted by Lazorbeam View Post
I understand, but wouldn't blizzard programmers take this into account, and calculate true apm?
edit: You'd have to verify by getting a metronome and measuring yourself lol. Or create a mouse macro that clicks every X seconds.
Edited by thiru - 11/4/10 at 6:41am
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You'd have to check by playing a replay at different speeds and seeing if the APM counter changes. I doubt it though. You're not going to see the APM go down almost nothing when you switch to 8x speed lol.
Replays just display the in-game recorded apm regardless of the speed at which the replay is played. We'd have to play a game at normal speed, intentionally do 1 realtime apm, then play at faster and do 1 realtime apm. Then watch replays and see how apm was recorded.

Back on topic, I see some players making a direct relation between apm and skill. This is completely wrong, because most actions are just spam, and the player's attention should be focused on useful actions instead. I think it was Nazgul who trained specifically to reduce spam apm in favor of useful apm. He got his apm down to 90 or something, but was still considered one of the best.

edit: saw your post after this one.
    
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