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Its weird, im getting this a lot. Everyone I play with in 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 tell me that the random players they play against in 1v1 always cheeze. Its weird because I dont even know HOW to cheese correctly. I have never done cannon rush, i have never done barraks before depot (when it was possible), ive never done 6 pool, ive never canon rushed etc.. I just play the strength of each race: (Protosss - Macro style and the big untoppable unit, Terran - Timing pushes, stim and drops, Zerg - over expanding BIIIG macro and controlling the map)

But Thiru is also right, the fact that I play random weakens some of the strategies per race, but I find that A LOT of the fundimentals are the same for all races, you just gotta watch the map for different things.

Example: pushing while expanding, constantly making wokers, never getting supply blocked, unit placements, retreating at the right times, scouting expansions and tech, intercepting units, harrassing workers, upgrading at the right times, waching the minimap for drops, sneak attacks or warp ins/nydus worms etc...
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I dont even know HOW to cheese correctly. I have never done cannon rush, i have never done barraks before depot (when it was possible), ive never done 6 pool, ive never canon rushed etc..
That's why you are still in platinum.
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I know gear doesn't make you better (usually) but i'm just curious what do some of the best players use? (mainly things like monitor size, keyboard, mouse and headsets)

just interested after hearing in one thread that one of the best players uses a random microsoft mouse even though he/she is sponsored by steelseries and could have any mouse from them for free...
I use the logitech mini-optical mouse and samsung dt-35 keyboard. I believe both are discontinued but back in 2004 this was the standard used by majority of the pros. I know Fruit Dealer and Boxer use Filco Majestouch.
A LOT of pros use the dt-35 keyboard, infact I think the default keyboard @ the GSL qualifiers are the dt-35's but you may switch to your own.

Moon using dt-35: youtube.com/watch?v=NJYwiRE_Kvc
Lynn using steel 7g or 6gV2: youtube.com/watch?v=ETT6IHqR5D4

Fruitdealer, Tester, actually, I think all of the TSL guys use use Filco's w/ Cherry Brown switches. there's a vid for proof of brown switches but its burried in (i think) artosis' vids of the qualifiers. (5 parts of 20min vids each)

nony uses a dt-35.

but keyboard doesn't matter, it's all about comfortability
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LOL that's right, the pros in diamond all go there cus they know how to 6 pool and cheese.
    
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LOL that's right, the pros in diamond all go there cus they know how to 6 pool and cheese.
Cheese works great up until ~1400 or so in diamond. From there on you'll see players scouting much better and cheese becomes quite ineffective.

But you still need to be decent to cheese well.
    
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Its weird, im getting this a lot. Everyone I play with in 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 tell me that the random players they play against in 1v1 always cheeze.
It's more or less accepted that random + no "gl hf" = cheese. There are so few random players that everyone tends to generalize

Playing random is kind of a breadth vs. depth situation. You've got 9 different match-ups to worry about as opposed to 3, so you're ultimately not going to have the same depth of strategy in a particular match-up without playing a ton of games. Some players resort to cheese in an attempt to even the gap; most stick with 1-2 general build orders per race and mold them to whatever match-up they're currently playing.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I hate TvT more than I hate . I would rather have ZvZ all day than ONE TvT. With ZvZ, you got quick awesomely played micro war or race to muta war or mineral line box (with evo chambers and spawning pool and queen) than the LOOONG ass terran wall ins with tanks and turrets or thors or the straight up tank+viking mass up and and slow crawl for EVERY FREEKING INCH OF THE FREEKIN MAP.
I tried to come up with a thoughtful, well-worded response to this, but the more I thought about ZvZ's Build Order Russian Roulette, the more I wanted to kick a puppy.
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I tried to come up with a thoughtful, well-worded response to this, but the more I thought about ZvZ's Build Order Russian Roulette, the more I wanted to kick a puppy.
ACtually that just about sums it up right!

I cant tell you how many times players have attempted to six pool me in zvz or just randomly try to quick expand without scouting what im doing...
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What mouse do you guys all use?
My Mini optical's wheel's are broken and I'm looking around for a new one. My disgustingly nasty 6 year old keyboard is still going strong though.
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ACtually that just about sums it up right!

I cant tell you how many times players have attempted to six pool me in zvz or just randomly try to quick expand without scouting what im doing...
I've tried to quick expand before myself
    
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