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those games can be fun sometimes because its preety much non-stop action. But in retrospect at the end of the game, you sit back and realise that it was a ****ty game. Whoever`s cheezing got caught with their pants down and their all in strategy just crumbles cause there`s no plan after the cheeze really. Which is why i dont use any proxy or all in strategies, cause if it fails, then what? No exit strategy...
I agree, I like games that have a lot of action. TBH, whenever I win a close game, I find it much more exhilarating since you HAD to work a lot to win it, unlike some games where you can just A-move into their base, well, maybe not just A-move into their base(you always need micro), but, you get my point. As for the hatchery inbase, that wasn't my plan, I was going to plan a standard game, usual exp time, get roaches, get mutas for harass, etc.... but since I saw that he only had a pylon(didn't realize that he had 2 gates near my base), I decided to attack with lings and then I wanted to use that drone, so, I thought, why not have fun and build a hatchery in his base I do agree though, cheese is pretty much all in and if it fails, it's hard to recover, but, depending on your opponent, it's doable(recovering I mean). I've never tried 6 pool, although, I'm interested in trying it once to see how well it works, but, I just can't get myself to do it, feels too risky

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Zealot rushes again zerg are pretty lame, especially after nerf, and proxy against zerg is a bad idea in general. Cannoning an expansion and blocking the bottom of the ramp with pylons is pretty good though and not an all in.
2 gate can be pretty powerful and it helps if you get a pylon up in the natural(this is the same as first exp spot, right?)? This will delay the exp and means that they'll have to get roaches to take down the zealots without major casualties, so, if you get stalkers and transition into a 4 gate, it could be GG. I had an opponent do something similar, attacked with 5 zealots right as my exp was about to finish and I cancelled it(big mistake), then I was boxed in while he massed zealot+stalkers+immortals. I should've went mass mutas or just mass zlings to take down his zealots early on and quickly saturate to get my eco on track
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2 gate can be pretty powerful and it helps if you get a pylon up in the natural(this is the same as first exp spot, right?)? This will delay the exp and means that they'll have to get roaches to take down the zealots without major casualties, so, if you get stalkers and transition into a 4 gate, it could be GG. I had an opponent do something similar, attacked with 5 zealots right as my exp was about to finish and I cancelled it(big mistake), then I was boxed in while he massed zealot+stalkers+immortals. I should've went mass mutas or just mass zlings to take down his zealots early on and quickly saturate to get my eco on track
With fast roaches being so popular in ZvP at the moment it can be an instant loss for a protoss. I'm not saying it's not viable, just much more risky than it used to be. Early forge is a safe bet in most circumstances. And on some maps, if the zerg fast expands and scouts well enough to deny any cannons at his natural, you can expand straight after forge as well and stay on even foot.
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With fast roaches being so popular in ZvP at the moment it can be an instant loss for a protoss. I'm not saying it's not viable, just much more risky than it used to be. Early forge is a safe bet in most circumstances. And on some maps, if the zerg fast expands and scouts well enough to deny any cannons at his natural, you can expand straight after forge as well and stay on even foot.
I've never tried 3RR, 5RR or 7RR, I usually just open up with an exp, pool and then build structures and units from there as I see fit. I think against most zerg, you can expand early since I haven't seen many that are agressive, personally, against T or P, I just scout and wait for the first attack then I might my move, so, expanding early can be safe provided you put up a bunker or two with some marines/maraduers or as protoss, you have sentries ready to split up any incoming forces incase your zerg opponent decides to attack when he sees the opportunity I think staying even on bases with zerg is *one* of the only ways to beat a good zerg opponent, other than outmicroing them in a battle
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Don't we all. I almost won very small money in our tourney.. but almost doesn't cut it .
How much did you win?
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How much did you win?
$0. Re-read that.
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Oh almost lulz... almost doesnt count

There needs to be more sponsored amateur tourneys
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Oh almost lulz... almost doesnt count

There needs to be more sponsored amateur tourneys
Once I get a job I'm probably going to drive to a MLG to play.
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I guess the only way to win some real money is to be able to travel.

There were some people who participated in MLG who werent very good at all. I remember some random protoss player who did not start researching warp gates until around 8 minutes. Id imagine 50% of the players there are fairly beatable.
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