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Originally Posted by DoomDash View Post
Yeah TvZ is very broken right now. It's not that Zerg is IMBA, it's just that Terran late game sucks ass.


Also, BigFan for GSL finals:

They talk about how hatch first is dangerous again, we'll that's only a little bit true. Look at game 7, Boxer, the best marine micro currently, does an all in rush with marines, and 15+ SCV's. Close positions on metal, against hatch first with no lings at the time, and STILL loses. Yeah he lost game one to the same thing, but the fact that you can hold an all in like that at all and still be able to get away with hatch first 50% of the time is ridiculous. Not only that, but Foxer failed quite a few attempts at preventing that, and so did Boxer, who got raped. Safe to say that hatch first is almost always ideal for Zerg, and over all pretty safe.
I hear tank/thor combos mess up ultras, and vikings aren't too bad for broodlords . Of course if the zerg has half of the map and your on 3 base, then your screwed haha.
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Originally Posted by turbonerds View Post
be aggressive with a few stalkers and force that PPD, and push out this is hard to do.

or sit in your base cannon up and tech to fast chargelots/storm, storm/feedback rapes rines and banshee
A banshee/marine/raven timing push comes far before storm + energy researches are ready. It would set me back on zealot/stalker/sentry and there would be absolutely no way I can defend that. I already had charge but it did not help as the banshees killed them all. I made a mistake by investing in charge in this game. I also already had my expo up at the time. Feedback would have worked well but really that's a lot of teching when I could be making more pure units.

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Building cannons usually isn't a good idea. Your just giving your opponent map control by doing this, and tanks will roll you eventually.

I think the best way to stop that push would be to scout as often as possible, and force early pressure. You would be surprised what a single stalker can do if you chrono boost it. A good 3 warpgate rush can break many a terran; especially if they try to tech to banshee/raven.
I was very close to attacking early but he had his bunker behind his wall with a couple SCVs around ready for repair which made me pull back. I really dont know if I would have won by applying pressure like this. Sure it would slow down his banshee tech but I would lose a lot of units as well.

One thing I regret not doing was getting void rays in that game (steppes of war) so I can charge up on the destructible rock and attack his wall with it considering the choke is next to the rock. Great map for such strategy if your opponent is walling at choke. Very sure I would have won the game had I went this route.
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I hear tank/thor combos mess up ultras, and vikings aren't too bad for broodlords . Of course if the zerg has half of the map and your on 3 base, then your screwed haha.
I pretty much tank thor with some bio every game.. and no, not really vs ultras . They are OK , but really all Z needs to do is exchange, and the macro mechanics of Z will always favor Z.

I rarely see broodlords. They don't scare me that much anyway. Ultras/Banes/Roach/Slings, that's SCARY.

Plus yeah, mech is immobile as ****.
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I hear tank/thor combos mess up ultras, and vikings aren't too bad for broodlords . Of course if the zerg has half of the map and your on 3 base, then your screwed haha.
Or:

Day9 has a theory where if you're being controlled by zerg mobile forces and zerg is expanding everywhere, one thing you can do is turtle, get to max asap, and then count on your maxxed terran or toss army is stronger than zerg's maxed army. Then go for the jugular right after.
    
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Day9 has a theory where if you're being controlled by zerg mobile forces and zerg is expanding everywhere, one thing you can do is turtle, get to max asap, and then count on your maxxed terran or toss army is stronger than zerg's maxed army. Then go for the jugular right after.
I wish that were true. But at least currently a 200/200 Z army is pretty comparable to a 200/200 T army ( Can't speak on behalf of P ). I'm not saying its impossible to win, but if you are turtling, he is probably on more bases, and again, he can just rebuild that army in a matter of seconds compared to Terran.
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Apparently being in silver 2v2 means you get faced against platinum/diamond opponents and dont get promoted when you beat them.

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He didn't lose any games to real boxer.

It uses 3 cores.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...rcraft-2-use/2
huh, I thought I heard that he lost one when they were talking about each player and their games

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Day9 has a theory where if you're being controlled by zerg mobile forces and zerg is expanding everywhere, one thing you can do is turtle, get to max asap, and then count on your maxxed terran or toss army is stronger than zerg's maxed army. Then go for the jugular right after.
I've seen this work a lot. I've had T opponents turtle, mass an army then attack. The P game that I talked about, when i was watching the replay, he had a 198/200 army against my measly 70-80 or so due to losing my units to constantly harassing him. Having said that, in this case, I didn't have 200, but, either way, I believe that he would've won UNLESS I had a decent number of BLs to box his forces

As for zerg re-building in seconds, well, if you have the hatcheries and the resources, yes, it's possible, since, you'll have a decent surplus of minerals and gas but if the opponent is able to get some drop as you engage forces, he'll get the upper hand if he takes out a couple of structures or the hive or in that case, I would just go mass slings for the finish
    
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So have any of you guys seen the Blizzcon marine avatar? It's pretty sweet, I'm pleased that I got the blizzcon virtual tickets earlier Next year I'm going to try to make it to Blizzcon for real though.
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So have any of you guys seen the Blizzcon marine avatar? It's pretty sweet, I'm pleased that I got the blizzcon virtual tickets earlier Next year I'm going to try to make it to Blizzcon for real though.
That's soooo 3 weeks ago

You only needed a virtual ticket to get that avatar? I thought you had to attend Blizzcon to get it.
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I don't even get that avatar. What the hell is that?
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