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I found these two posts to make a lot of sense ( now Jinro is T, but the second guy is a high level P ):
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On November 16 2010 13:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On November 16 2010 13:06 coddan wrote:
Protoss nerf incoming, lol
IMO protoss need certain things nerfed and then other areas really buffed, they are a bit too unbalanced (not imbalanced, just they seem to alternate between unbeatable and helpless).
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On November 16 2010 13:40 Plexa wrote:
Protoss is just entirely ****ed as race. Stalkers are pathetic, sentries are amazing, Colossus is insane, spamming templar is insane, mothersihp is laughable etc.

Jinro has it right when he says Protoss are unbalanced, the race is a complete shambles and knowing Blizzard they'll nerf it without any buff.
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On November 16 2010 13:37 Knutzi wrote:
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On November 16 2010 13:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On November 16 2010 13:23 darmousseh wrote:
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On November 16 2010 13:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On November 16 2010 13:06 coddan wrote:
Protoss nerf incoming, lol
IMO protoss need certain things nerfed and then other areas really buffed, they are a bit too unbalanced (not imbalanced, just they seem to alternate between unbeatable and helpless).
Expect a nerf to high templar and a buff to mid tier unit (like zealot or sentry). Personally i'm hoping for a removal of the charge ability on zealots and lowering the cost of zealot speed to 100/100 and lowering the cost of twilight council to 150/50. I think this would really help protoss in the mid-early game as they could get blink and zealot legs a lot faster to counter effect the stim and concussive shells upgrades.
Buffing the sentry would be the opposite of what I have in mind, I think thats one of the units they are far too reliant on and that, in some situations, is far too strong (its stupid that force field traps units now, instead of pushing them back).

However, you cant nerf it without buffing something else.

if your referring too the 1 unit stuck in between two ffs they fixed that last patch, tester mentioned it in a interview a while back
You can trap units in FF - the patched made it so that if you jammed units between two FFs then they still attacked, but now you can still trap units with them.
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My biggest criticism of protoss is that the gateway units are near useless. I remember playing protoss BW style when I first started and going 10-12- gateway with nothing else , then getting spanked even when I had map control and extra expos. I wouldn't mind a nerf on storm upgrade (starting mana) as long as gateway units are buffed.

I hate the concept of charge. Zealots aren't mobile even with the 200/200 (or was it 150/150?) upgrade plus they get slowed my marauders even during charge ***?
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Chargelots > Marauders with FF . Takes 15-16 shots to kill a Zealot with a Marauder?

But yeah I feel like the game in general is unbalanced like Jinro said. Maybe that's why I feel like Terran late game is so bad.
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And also what happened to carriers? Remember when they were the go-to unit when all hope was lost during BW? They went from iconic status to being a joke.

Motherships -> Other than being competlety useless, you don't even need to scout for them, if the game lags for 1-2 seconds, you immediately realize he's gone motherships. W.T.F?
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And also what happened to carriers? Remember when they were the go-to unit when all hope was lost during BW? They went from iconic status to being a joke.

Motherships -> Other than being competlety useless, you don't even need to scout for them, if the game lags for 1-2 seconds, you immediately realize he's gone motherships. W.T.F?
Yeah, I remember the days when seeing BC's and Carriers were just like "Oh ****". BC's are still good, but Carriers kinda suck.

Motherships are dumb, yes, but I do think that they have underrated defensive capabilities ( see kiwikaki use it on husky's channel. )
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All Star games tournament:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=169096

11/18 11:30KDT - (Z)FruitDealer vs (P)HongUnPrime
11/18 12:30KDT - (T)OptimusPrime vs (Z)oGsZenio
11/18 16:00KDT - (P)NEXGenius vs (Z)ZergBong
11/18 17:00KDT - (P)TesteR vs (T)oGsNada
11/19 11:30KDT - (T)HopeTorture vs (Z)oGsTheWinD
11/19 12:30KDT - (P)oGsInCa vs (T)MakaPrime
11/19 16:00KDT - (T)oGsEnsnare vs (Z)Kyrix
11/19 17:00KDT - (P)SangHo vs (T)BoxeR
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All Star games tournament:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=169096

11/18 11:30KDT - (Z)FruitDealer vs (P)HongUnPrime
11/18 12:30KDT - (T)OptimusPrime vs (Z)oGsZenio
11/18 16:00KDT - (P)NEXGenius vs (Z)ZergBong
11/18 17:00KDT - (P)TesteR vs (T)oGsNada
11/19 11:30KDT - (T)HopeTorture vs (Z)oGsTheWinD
11/19 12:30KDT - (P)oGsInCa vs (T)MakaPrime
11/19 16:00KDT - (T)oGsEnsnare vs (Z)Kyrix
11/19 17:00KDT - (P)SangHo vs (T)BoxeR

Converted to Eastern Std. Time:

11/17 9:30 PM EST - (Z)FruitDealer vs (P)HongUnPrime
11/17 10:30 PM EST - (T)OptimusPrime vs (Z)oGsZenio
11/18 2:00 AM EST - (P)NEXGenius vs (Z)ZergBong
11/18 3:00 AM EST - (P)TesteR vs (T)oGsNada
11/18 9:30 PM EST - (T)HopeTorture vs (Z)oGsTheWinD
11/18 10:30 PM EST - (P)oGsInCa vs (T)MakaPrime
11/19 2:00 AM EST - (T)oGsEnsnare vs (Z)Kyrix
11/19 3:00 AM EST - (P)SangHo vs (T)BoxeR
Edited by turbocharged - 11/16/10 at 10:45am
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Wow this has to be the most intense base race I've had yet. Worst part was I was slightly favored so I would have lost a ton of points. TvZ. He is 2000+.

That was intense...talk about trading bases.
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I disagree with gateway units are crap. They're underrated. They seem to be crap when they're faced with t1.5 units from other races but they are still very good, esp with sentries. The only issue is the high cost of charge and blink.
    
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I like gateway units.
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