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Today's state of the game is pretty good. They discuss TvZ and it's pretty good. IdrA and PainUser.
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@Lazor: I'd like to see some replays then, especially against some early rax aggression. I just can't see how during the first 10 minutes of the game phoenix can be more useful then void ray or zealot+sentry which cost the same minus stargate.
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@Lazor: I'd like to see some replays then, especially against some early rax aggression. I just can't see how during the first 10 minutes of the game phoenix can be more useful then void ray or zealot+sentry which cost the same minus stargate.
I think you guys are getting the impression that I'm massing phoenix. This is not the case, I'm merely adding them to the usual protoss army and making sure I always have 1-2 stargates producing.

I'll try and remember to post replays tonight. I have 2 nice games vs 2100-2200 rated opponents featuring some medivac intercepts etc.

As with any strategy, this one has its weaknesses (timed thor push sucks) but I find the benefits totally worthwhile.
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I think you guys are getting the impression that I'm massing phoenix. This is not the case, I'm merely adding them to the usual protoss army and making sure I always have 1-2 stargates producing.

I'll try and remember to post replays tonight. I have 2 nice games vs 2100-2200 rated opponents featuring some medivac intercepts etc.

As with any strategy, this one has its weaknesses (timed thor push sucks) but I find the benefits totally worthwhile.
I think both my builds would be powerful vs this. My thor push, and my MMG push.
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Have you guys seen this application? It's one of the best things created ever. It uses kind of evolution algorithm to create an optimal build order for given conditions. There's a similar one for Zerg called evolution chamber. It's pretty sweet.

Takes some time to really make it do what you want to using checkpoints, but it can cut a lot of seconds from most builds or come up with some new ones. You can also see from it and practicing the builds how all the smallest things like getting the first pylon 2 seconds late or scouting at 9 rather than 12 can eventually delay your push by 15-20 seconds. Even using chronoboost at right buildings at the right time can make up to half minute difference.
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I prefer the old fashion way. Though I totally did steal the 7RR from the Evo Chamber program. I haven't lost with a 7RR yet.
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Have you guys seen this application? It's one of the best things created ever. It uses kind of evolution algorithm to create an optimal build order for given conditions. There's a similar one for Zerg called evolution chamber. It's pretty sweet.

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hmm, TBH, I'm not too big on those kind of things as in I prefer to try the different builds myself to test which is the best/fastest, etc.... To me, it seems like you are kinda cheating and takes the fun out of the game, but, my opinion

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I prefer the old fashion way. Though I totally did steal the 7RR from the Evo Chamber program. I haven't lost with a 7RR yet.
Well, 7RR is supposed to be hard to beat if not spotted, otherwise, a bunker with some marines+SCV repair should suffice
    
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Well, 7RR is supposed to be hard to beat if not spotted, otherwise, a bunker with some marines+SCV repair should suffice
This is why i dont try it against terran unless they dont block the front.
Against protoss it is absolute murder. there is not much they can do about it.

Also for that program, you are right, it does take the fun out of the game. Sometimes like The Little One said on nov 17 Day9 daily, you dont want to be too caught up in a straight up build. its supposed to be a ''tool'' that you can use amongst many, not a manual to follow word for word.

So when your opponent does something different that messes up the build, you know how to addapt and react and choose a different ''tool'' to win with.
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hmm, TBH, I'm not too big on those kind of things as in I prefer to try the different builds myself to test which is the best/fastest, etc.... To me, it seems like you are kinda cheating and takes the fun out of the game, but, my opinion


Well, 7RR is supposed to be hard to beat if not spotted, otherwise, a bunker with some marines+SCV repair should suffice
It's hard to stop being spotted though.. that's the problem. Although the match vs Cory I did not tell him, I do tell others that I try it against and I have yet to be stopped. While I think Terran has an easier time dealing with it ( still very hard though ), Protoss has the worst time dealing with it. 7RR vs Protoss has almost no disadvantages, because if you don't win out right, you are still ahead and free to expand.

It would be quite easy to fix.. either increase the roach warren cost or increase its build time.


Also for Terran, I usually break the depot with out losing a single roach ( marines do jack to roach ), and just walk by the bunker.
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I hate starting a game and having no idea *** im going to do. Its a recipe for disaster!!

On another note, I finally got enough games in on my "for fun" account and made it to diamond. Funny thing is that Im ranked 31 diamond after only 23 games played and rank 50 diamond with 136 games played on my laddering account.

Oh yea I thought its pretty awesome that Husky is donating his ad revenue from his banelings video charity. Husky is the man!
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