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hmm, maybe it's just me, but, I think you play Z much better than T
Well I agree with you... but it's the experience in X situation I lack as Zerg. I'm sure I'd lose a ton of games not dealing with X properly... where my Terran I'm already pretty familiar with that situation. That's really the only thing holding me back from doing at least all Z on huggle. I do love Terran though, and I picked them up for the same reason I avoided them in SC1, I found them the most challenging for me to play specifically. Zerg macro has made sense to me ever since beta, way beyond Terran macro.
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Well I agree with you... but it's the experience in X situation I lack as Zerg. I'm sure I'd lose a ton of games not dealing with X properly... where my Terran I'm already pretty familiar with that situation. That's really the only thing holding me back from doing at least all Z on huggle. I do love Terran though, and I picked them up for the same reason I avoided them in SC1, I found them the most challenging for me to play specifically. Zerg macro has made sense to me ever since beta, way beyond Terran macro.
I find zerg easier, honestly.
But ZvZ sucks.
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The reason I play random is I can jump ship whenever a race is the flavor of the month. Just wait till protoss is buffed, i'll be on that like a baneling to marines
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The game develops as you move up in rankings. In bronze, zealots rule because players don't know how to kite with marines. In these ladders, you can win like 80% of matches from zealot rushes alone.

The same analogy applies in lower diamond brackets, where 75% of matches are cheese. Players still need to learn very key mechanics. You can't balance the game around this. For example, zerg players don't yet know how to do the magic box trick, or how to do baneling drops. These are both key tricks that you'll see only in high rated diamond matches. The game needs to be balanced where all races are used to their fullest potential - I'd say this is around 2600+ diamond, not the full ladder itself. Doing so produces very, very flawed data.

If you look at 2600+ ladder stats, I'm sure you'll find that protoss representation is very similar to what we're seeing in GSL. Quite strange given that we KNOW that protoss is played the most often.
Hmm Im not sure where you are getting your info...

Then the game should be balanced for high level diamonds and pros. There are still 64 protoss players in the top 200 in NA which is 32%. Not even close to GSL's protoss representation.

I wouldnt mind seeing the game only balanced for high diamonds. But that still makes ladder relevant and therefore not completely useless. Just watch GSL 3. Most of the protoss players arent that great. Ive been observing their play. Again, you cant just count on stats as they are extremely misleading. I hope Blizzard is taking the same approach on balancing.

I dont know if youre exaggerating but I RARELY see cheese in diamond. At most 1 out of 10 matches. And even if there is occasional cheese, it's a part of the game. It makes the game interesting and forces players to double check for cheese.

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Thumper has no clue what he's talking about.
Oh please. State where I dropped falsed info.
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Again you spew rubbish. Everything you just said was terrible. From GSL protoss's being terrible, 1 in 10 cheese in diamond ladder. Everything.
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Again, where did I post false info? Everything I stated on there is fact. Prove me wrong, I challenge you. Because you posts proves nothing.
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A lot more legends in SC1/BW were T and Z .. not a huge surprise that carried over.


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I find zerg easier, honestly.
But ZvZ sucks.
True that.
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This thread should be used for intelligent discussions so get out if you want to troll. When a guy says what I say is terrible with nothing to support it, it ticks me off.

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A lot more legends in SC1/BW were T and Z .. not a huge surprise that carried over.
July impressed me just as much as Leenock. He looks like he really knows how to play on non-zerg favored maps. Id be very surprised if these guys dont at least make it to the semi-finals.

Im interested to see what Boxer and Choya will do tonight.
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Well I agree with you... but it's the experience in X situation I lack as Zerg. I'm sure I'd lose a ton of games not dealing with X properly... where my Terran I'm already pretty familiar with that situation. That's really the only thing holding me back from doing at least all Z on huggle. I do love Terran though, and I picked them up for the same reason I avoided them in SC1, I found them the most challenging for me to play specifically. Zerg macro has made sense to me ever since beta, way beyond Terran macro.
You know, I'm in the same boat for both T and P. I just played two games against banded as P. I kept a constant watch throughout the whole second game with observors knowing when he exp'd and knew exactly what was going on. In our second game, he mostly massed marauders+marines+some tanks at start at which point I attacked him losing most of my force, but, I felt it was necessary from having his army become a big ball of death, lol. Then he went mass marauders+some marines+2-3 thors with 5 medivacs, so, I got 6 VRs(originally to take down a PF at his exp) and had some zealots+stalkers+some sentries+3-4 immortals with +1-2 attack upgrades. He obliterated my army, took down my exp and I gg'd after.
I think my problem is that I still don't have the info required to deal with a mass of units as in how much of my units will be enough to deal with his, likewise, I still don't ff properly and messed up my storms in the first game. Did I meant I got one colossi in my first and none in my second? In my case though, I don't plan to jump to T or P, most likely go random but Z is my best by far ATM

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True, because, a 2200 in one diamond league isn't at the same level as in another. I think something like 20 pages back or so, we were talking about this and how some diamond league are better than others
I don't get this logic. How is 2000 points in one division different than 2000 points in another division? I see no link between division you're in and points you get.

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Then the game should be balanced for high level diamonds and pros. There are still 64 protoss players in the top 200 in NA which is 32%. Not even close to GSL's protoss representation.

I dont know if youre exaggerating but I RARELY see cheese in diamond. At most 1 out of 10 matches. And even if there is occasional cheese, it's a part of the game. It makes the game interesting and forces players to double check for cheese.
There's 51 protoss in top 200 on US and 50 on EU. That's exactly 25%, a bit less one would expect given that most diamond players play protoss.

Speaking of cheese, have you guys seen player called PiqLiq? He's currently #1 on NA ladder and he's like the master of cheese. Hilarious to watch.
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