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GODAMN!!
and here I'm thinking getting into diamond here is hard (been stuck in plat for the past 4 months), i guess i would barely be able to get into silver. Good to know though, cause at least when I play against you, I will learn some different strategies, so far ive been using mostly european and american styles (very passive, no HEAVY early pressure in 1v1, no proxies, no all Ins)
yeah.. heres a good example..

i started out knowing NOTHING about sc2 (started quite late too, late september) and i started out with a record of 5-21, bronze of course. (LOL) on the korean servers 1vs1. i started to get slowly better and better, and on 1v1, and upon, turning gold, my record was 79-61. (not TOO bad of a ratio considering i started out with so many losses) found out all my childhood friends in US were playing sc2, wanted to play with them, so went ahead and bought a copy just to play the US version.

won all my placement matches, and lost 3 right away after that. (havent played in over 10 days after placement, so super super rusty... and internet cafe was cold so my hands were frozen lol) after i got warmed up, got to diamond and is currently at 22-10 on diamond. im holding off playing 1v1 ladder until i get a pc at home, which should be real soon, so ive been practicing 1v1 on custom with a bunch of 18~2400 diamonders from the other forum i post in. (currently 10-3 playing with those guys =P) so not too bad.

but yeah, somehow my post got super long, but yeah... its just an example of how a guy that is slightly above average here, that took about a month to get to gold here, got to diamond quite easily in NA (4 days game playing days to be exact) and can consistently take on 2000+ diamonders here. the major difference that a lot of people agree on, is players outside of korea tend to have a much more broad, unique style of play, more strategies and what not... players in korea don't have that many strats, but prefer to perfect those little strats they use. i admit the times i lost on NA region were all weird strats I wasn't ready for, when the game went over the 12 minute mark I dont think ive lost a single one yet.
    
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hey overclock brothers, im new to this forum! good to see there are loyal sc2 players here. as soon as my pc is here and ready to go (the one in my sig, ordered it, so said why the hell not and listed the stuff) i will finally be playing online from home. (been playing at internet cafes only) Also picked up a US version of sc2, so I can play with my friends stateside. (currently residing in South Korea) hope to play with many of you guys in the future! please go ahead and add me!!!

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and a hello to you too Will add you, always looking for a practice partner in SC2

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sounds good!
korean ladder is so brutal... ugh. from my experience of playing around 400 games on korean region and about 160 on NA region, I say the silver league in korean region is similar to diamond league in the NA region. no joke. there are silver players that are quite good in korea and i see diamond players in NA region that makes you wonder how they even have a 1-1 win lose ratio. thats how bad the skill difference is. my buddy who played over 600 on korean server and couldnt get to diamond, he's been stuck on plat since the beta days, made it to US diamond in less than a week and his record was 41-17 last time i checked. lol.
That's rather crazy. I'm only in Silver but I practice more than ladder these days. Either way, it would be great if I could have a game or two in the korean region to see the difference, although, that won't be happening anytime soon Well, for US diamond, it depends on the level. A member on battle.net forums mentioned this about the diamond league which I found interesting:
x<1000 Bronze Diamond
1000<x<1500 Silver Diamond
1500<x<2000 Gold Diamond
2000<x<2500 Platinum Diamond
2500+ Diamond Diamond

I think he has a point as well, I would think lower level diamonds are much weaker than higher ones

EDIT: ^^Read your latest post, do want to mention that while perfecting a certain strategy is good and all, you should also be able to use many different strats if you want to win. I don't mean using cheese, but, if you watched GSL2, FD was a perfect example of this. He has amazing macro and micro but his constant 15 exp 14 pool was what caused his downfall, even in the second game, when his exp was protected, foxer just kept on constantly pushing with MMM and he wasn't able to hold the line, was truly was an awesome game from both

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GODAMN!!
and here I'm thinking getting into diamond here is hard (been stuck in plat for the past 4 months), i guess i would barely be able to get into silver. Good to know though, cause at least when I play against you, I will learn some different strategies, so far ive been using mostly european and american styles (very passive, no HEAVY early pressure in 1v1, no proxies, no all Ins)
Personally, I think those styles are what's holding you back. I understand where you're coming from though, since, I'm very passive and always wait for the first attack before countering myself. That's likely since I'm used to playing Z and attacking first could be a GG
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Good stuff Chad.
How is the lag between the korean & US servers?
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Well yeah tanks are great @ critical mass but it's just lame you cant make a build around them unless its working them in late game. And I already told you the problems with Thor/Rine/SCV.


Funny I'm listening to state of the game and Nony just mentioned how bad tanks are in TvP when talking about Naama.
Problem I see with buffing tanks is that they are still REALLY good against Z and T. Only way I can see it being balanced is to nerf protoss itself so that only they are more vulnerable to siege tanks but this will lead to a lot of QQ by protoss players. If there is any race that should be strong against tanks though it should be protoss because they will have a small but beefier army. They have to be more efficient. I wouldnt mind seeing a slight tank buff if they nerf marauder with it.

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Rine/Thor/SCV all-ins are tough and take practice to beat. I used to get raped by them all the time, but as protoss the number 1 counter is scouting. If you can see it coming ahead of time, it's easy to kite rines and SCVs all the way back to your base, at which point the fight should be a little more fair.

Bring probes to help out, FF around the Thor to push SCVs off (the FFs will be broken immediately) and attack the thor with probes. This will make it difficult for the SCVs to repair. FF behind your ramp if you can cut off some rines as well.
FF temporarily stops SCVs from repairing? I never knew that. I guess you will have to use your probes to target the thor first before you FF.

And how do you kite marines? They have the same range as stalkers. A good terran player will have all of their marines and SCVs following the thors so they dont get out of position.

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hey overclock brothers, im new to this forum! good to see there are loyal sc2 players here. as soon as my pc is here and ready to go (the one in my sig, ordered it, so said why the hell not and listed the stuff) i will finally be playing online from home. (been playing at internet cafes only) Also picked up a US version of sc2, so I can play with my friends stateside. (currently residing in South Korea) hope to play with many of you guys in the future! please go ahead and add me!!!

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Koreans have more dedication to the game its no surprise they are better on average. Though I don't think the gap is as big as people think. I have a friend with 2 accounes NA and Korea on supraforums and he doesn't feel that much of a difference besides koreans being far far more aggressive / ahead of the trends.
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Problem I see with buffing tanks is that they are still REALLY good against Z and T. Only way I can see it being balanced is to nerf protoss itself so that only they are more vulnerable to siege tanks but this will lead to a lot of QQ by protoss players. If there is any race that should be strong against tanks though it should be protoss because they will have a small but beefier army. They have to be more efficient. I wouldnt mind seeing a slight tank buff if they nerf marauder with it.
Agree with this, tanks are good the way they are. I doubt Blizzard will make such a move unless they nerf the maraduer so that a tank buff would help T late game

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FF temporarily stops SCVs from repairing? I never knew that. I guess you will have to use your probes to target the thor first before you FF.

And how do you kite marines? They have the same range as stalkers. A good terran player will have all of their marines and SCVs following the thors so they dont get out of position.
I think what he meant was that you should ff around the thor where the SCVs are to move them away and then by the time they go back to repairing, you would've done some real damage to the thor, enough to be able to take it down even if they start repairing again

Marines are range 5, stalkers 6, I think you are confusing marauder's range with a marine's range
    
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Chad, kinda curious as to the race that you play? Forgot to mention that in my previous post
    
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I'm guessing he plays zerg.

@ChadWarden: How hard is it for a foreigner to get KR sc2 account? I've heard you need their national ID number or something similar.
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It's funny constantly playing 2200+ players on my huggle account which was just in the 1300s! I think I've caught the MMR up to my DoomDash account cause now it feels like the same level of opponents.

They probably don't play many 1300 Diamonds ( but secretly 2000 Diamond ).
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I'm trying to work on my Terran macro to make it better.. its kind of confusing to be honest. I feel like at times going 3 base is counter productive because of how weak Terran is in the process to certain types of builds. Specifically PvT timing attacks, and TvZ muta harass ( Can't seem to control 2 bases well much less 3 ). I haven't been doing bad its just super hard and super risky compared to making a second base. I'd love to be a Terran macro god, but it just doesn't click for me yet.
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