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Is it just me or is ladder really screwed up on PTR? Thumper I think you're in my Silver division .
I'm in silver too, Protoss. It was the first ladder I was put into after qualifiers.


PROTOSS FTW.
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Unfortunately, I can't. I'm actually getting ready for bed, need to wake up early and I only got 3.5hr of sleep last night, so, I'm exhausted, but, I'll be good to go for tommorrow

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It's so dumb that Terran has to play absolutely perfect to prevent 1A Z from winning late game. The mobility of Muta's vs the least mobile units ever also sucks. Why can't vikings be ****ing valks!?!??!? God damn you Blizzard. I hate the damn Thor for Terrans splash damage muta counter.. its too ****ing slow.
You make it sound like T is impossible to play. I will admit that late game T is worse than late game P or Z, but, if the GSL is any indication of how ZvsT is, I would say it's *somewhat* balanced, maybe a little nerf for Z but nothing major

@Thumper Storms are great against mass mutas. I don't really care what people say, even if mutas are fast, they'll take decent damage before moving out and this doesn't take into account storming them again as they run away from the first one
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I'm in bronze after 2-3 placement. 4 PvZ's 2 on jungle basin and 2 on crap station. That's a bad luck lol.
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With terran if you don't put on early pressure and do slow and precise attacks with seige tanks to get range out and pull enemy in you're doing it wrong.
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You make it sound like T is impossible to play. I will admit that late game T is worse than late game P or Z, but, if the GSL is any indication of how ZvsT is, I would say it's *somewhat* balanced, maybe a little nerf for Z but nothing major
Look at how Terrans are winning: Gimmicks or very dedicated rushing to avoid mid-game / late game. That shows one thing : Something is wrong with the match up. It's the same thing for TvP, gimmicks or timing pushes, anything to avoid the late game.

Yes Jinro so far has shown that macro is possible, but so far mainly against WCIII players ( not known for their macro ). He has yet to be really tested by a Z I respect as a macro Z.

Something is wrong with the match up.. the all in / gimmick Terrans are proving that.

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I'll tell you what Zergs have been told since Z was considered UP. L2P JK of course, they are hard to deal with if they have 30+ but not impossible with marines. Infact, I wouldn't mind playing a TvsZ game against you and you can go all the mutas you want, to see how well I can hold up

Sorry but you will never be able to simulate what they are doing until your macro is much improved. It's just the truth. I'm sure I can stop Platinum and belows Z's, but it's ones around my rating that are just moping the floor with me generally.
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Look at how Terrans are winning: Gimmicks or very dedicated rushing to avoid mid-game / late game. That shows one thing : Something is wrong with the match up. It's the same thing for TvP, gimmicks or timing pushes, anything to avoid the late game.

Yes Jinro so far has shown that macro is possible, but so far mainly against WCIII players ( not known for their macro ). He has yet to be really tested by a Z I respect as a macro Z.

Something is wrong with the match up.. the all in / gimmick Terrans are proving that.
Well, I won't disagree with you on that point. The last 3 games of foxer vs. nestea was the same strategy over and over, it was a bit annoying to watch, lol. Well, colossi mop the floor with barrack unit. If you get critical mass(4+ colossi) with a decent stalker+sentry army, it's GG. An example of this is when I played against banded the other night, I had 5 colossi with stalkers+sentries. His MM+thor army stood no chance, really OP in my opinion. As to how to change Z end game, well, that's up to Blizzard, I just play with what I'm given

I haven't seen Jinro's games, but, to me, it sounds like unless he plays Nestea/fruitdealer/idra, basically someone who do well macroing, and wins the match, you won't be satisfied. Well, I think adding banes made MM kinda worthless in the late game and BLs shooting broods make them OP even though they move slow. As to ultra, I think they fine the way they are

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Sorry but you will never be able to simulate what they are doing until your macro is much improved. It's just the truth. I'm sure I can stop Platinum and belows Z's, but it's ones around my rating that are just moping the floor with me generally.
My macro problem stems from a lack of scouting and getting enough units to do a counter without going overboard, so, that'll improve if I can get more games played. However, I still wouldn't mind playing T or P against your Z since I need the practice The thing is, you should never let a Z macro, period. I'm sure you already know this, but, timing pushes are what a T or P must do and taking down an exp can be game turning. I haven't seen your TvsZ game other than that banelings one, but, if you don't pressure them throughout the match, it's pretty much GG. I'm sure Blizzard will do some nerfs if they feel it's appropriate

Anyways, I'm heading to bed, but, feel free to take me up on my offer tommorrow if you are interested For once, you can be the one doing the bane bust against a T
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I'm sure Z will be nerfed in time. Which is why I keep playing. It's frustrating. I do marine pressure and fast expand vs Zerg now. Last game I was 2 base vs 2 base and 20 supply ahead and I still lost to mass speedlings / banes with the muta harass. The problem is I can't apply any pressure while Muta's are harassing. I think that's the entire problem. I know how to play the match in theory it just doesn't work that way because of Muta map control, especially on large maps where your immobile terran army is incredibly easy to get ready for. I do blame this old computer for making me get WRECKED that game, but I don't think it would have mattered if I wasn't lagging bad during my slaughter or not.. just woulda have been slightly less one sided.

I really wish I wouldn't ***** about it but I just can't help it when I'm super pissed.
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I don't think its available to anyone but NA people. I could be wrong but thats what it sounded like in the FAQ.

Yeah I played Z in m y placement matches and well the last 2 guys crushed me ( they were very good ). Oh well. Now look at my match history and the point system doesn't make much sense at this point ( if you look at all the guys I've played ranks ).

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Haven't lost in the test server yet, but I have barely played. The pylons don't really bother me much, but it still seems like zerg is even more comfortable 14/15 hatching now.
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After 2-3 months ladder lay off I'm going back to SC2 ladder. Finally got two jobs and have stable income. If you want practice let me know:

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