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Vikings suck and I'll stand by my statement. They are good against Voids, capitol ships, corrupters ( OK ), colossus ect, but they are terrible against muta especially because you have to dedicate a lot of your precious resources on stargates. Even if you kill the muta's any left over army he has will easily clean up your army + your vikings because on the ground they are pretty bad. If you don't think they are bad then I really don't see the point in arguing about it.

And TvT is pretty different as far as openers... but MMTV is pretty standard over all. TvT is to me the most technical match up in the game. Being good at TvT says something about you IMO... and I'm not that good at it TBH. As soon as I'm beating Terrans at the level I beat Protoss I will know I am getting pretty good. Zerg... they just don't count.


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Just watched this match. Pretty sweet. They switch bases. I might have to get Starcraft 2. I played Starcraft 1 a long time ago.
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I don't mean they copied any particular game I just said none of it is very original. Don't get me wrong I'm really into sc2 right now. But:

The gameplay is uninspired (nothing new here that I haven't seen in other RTS games) infact it kind of lacks things of normal RTS games. Only 2 resources to collect? Seriously?

The character's and their attitudes/style is cliched to the max. The cutscenes look great and the voice acting is superb but everyone is a walking stereotype nothing new here.

The whole storyline can be traced to multiple sci-fi's just change the names of the people and the groups.

But like I said despite everything not being all that original it is a well polished game worth playing and I've already had hours of entertainment out of it. With the weapons upgrades and various settings it's enough to keep you interested for a while. I've never played sc1 but I'm an avid RTS player.
While I agree that the character's acting is cliche, I disagree about the lack of resources to collect. I'd freak out if there were more than 2 resources to collect. 2 is perfect in my eyes.

I dont think SC2 was meant to revolutionize RTS as Blizzard has already done that with WC. They kind of just kept the things that worked well and added things that would make the game better. I think this lack of change is definitely a good thing. Some times trying to hard makes the game more complicated than needed. Just my opinion.

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Vikings suck and I'll stand by my statement. They are good against Voids, capitol ships, corrupters ( OK ), colossus ect, but they are terrible against muta especially because you have to dedicate a lot of your precious resources on stargates. Even if you kill the muta's any left over army he has will easily clean up your army + your vikings because on the ground they are pretty bad. If you don't think they are bad then I really don't see the point in arguing about it.

And TvT is pretty different as far as openers... but MMTV is pretty standard over all. TvT is to me the most technical match up in the game. Being good at TvT says something about you IMO... and I'm not that good at it TBH. As soon as I'm beating Terrans at the level I beat Protoss I will know I am getting pretty good. Zerg... they just don't count.


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Viking is indeed bad against mutas unless it's in small numbers. It's meant to counter larger, armored, slower air units. Thor/marine is much better against mutas but they lack mobility to keep up with the mutas.
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Vikings suck and I'll stand by my statement. They are good against Voids, capitol ships, corrupters ( OK ), colossus ect, but they are terrible against muta especially because you have to dedicate a lot of your precious resources on stargates. Even if you kill the muta's any left over army he has will easily clean up your army + your vikings because on the ground they are pretty bad. If you don't think they are bad then I really don't see the point in arguing about it.

And TvT is pretty different as far as openers... but MMTV is pretty standard over all. TvT is to me the most technical match up in the game. Being good at TvT says something about you IMO... and I'm not that good at it TBH. As soon as I'm beating Terrans at the level I beat Protoss I will know I am getting pretty good. Zerg... they just don't count.

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What's wrong with having a single stargate with a reactor and then making 2 vikings every once in a while? I mean it won't cost much to make especially if you are on two bases. I do like your bias against Z though

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While I agree that the character's acting is cliche, I disagree about the lack of resources to collect. I'd freak out if there were more than 2 resources to collect. 2 is perfect in my eyes.

I dont think SC2 was meant to revolutionize RTS as Blizzard has already done that with WC. They kind of just kept the things that worked well and added things that would make the game better. I think this lack of change is definitely a good thing. Some times trying to hard makes the game more complicated than needed. Just my opinion.


Viking is indeed bad against mutas unless it's in small numbers. It's meant to counter larger, armored, slower air units. Thor/marine is much better against mutas but they lack mobility to keep up with the mutas.
I agree, 2 is fine. Going 4 like AOE would be interesting, but, you'll be really limited in terms of getting structures up because you'll have to constantly protect your workers as they mine(stone, gold, etc.... in AOE) and thus won't have money for structures. Of course, this assumes the resources are far away from your base

The thing is, I'm not disagreeing with the idea of Thor/marine being a better counter to mutas than vikings. My point was that when you exp, put up the usual turrets, put some marines with a medivac or two and have one or two vikings so that you can try to lure the mutas into the marines as Lucas mentioned. Also, using ppd with vikings can really turn things into your favour. You don't need to have 20 ravens, 1-2 with a bunch of vikings especially if you keep on placing ppd and then snipe the mutas as they run. If you even want to, you *might* be able to sneak a raven behind them(if you already know they are coming due to scouting) and use a seeker missile. If they are engaging from the front, chances are that your opponent won't be expecting the missile or better yet, he *might* run into it if he decides to run away instead of taking down the ppd
    
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Still sucks. Been there done that. Muta can eat so many viking shots I don't think it will ever matter, and they are really a waste of money. Also Muta's are the second or 3rd fastest unit in the game, do you really think they will just stick around for that PDD? Seeker missiles are good until you see them once.
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Still sucks. Been there done that. Muta can eat so many viking shots I don't think it will ever matter, and they are really a waste of money. Also Muta's are the second or 3rd fastest unit in the game, do you really think they will just stick around for that PDD? Seeker missiles are good until you see them once.
Maybe blizzard can slightly increase the missiles speed to make it better, likewise increase raven speed?
Well, next time I play against a Z, I'll be trying some vikings to have my own experience
    
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BTW, doom, let me the first to say happy Bday I guess my gift to you would be playing a game against you and *allowing* you to win, lol
    
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