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I just hope Blizzard looks at the real problem with the match up instead of thinking of it as simplistic as some of these idiots. Some say Marine scv rushes are just too powerful early... yeah that's not the problem... the problem is everyone wants to avoid the mid-late game macro games with Zerg because it's terrible.
To prove his point, I just won a game vs an 1800 diamond player as Zerg. I kept harrassing his mineral lines but he didtn over reach so the ONLY out I could see was to starve him out and deny expos while i take over every expo I could. TWICE he almost killed me.... Thank god for banelings....Bigfan, thanks to you aswell for drilling in the point on their awesomeness

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...steppes-of-war

Take a look and give me pointers.

Also, here is another match wehre I did the SAME thing as protoss vs a Zerg player...

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...istering-sands
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I kept telling BigFan banelings were sick .
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To prove his point, I just won a game vs an 1800 diamond player as Zerg. I kept harrassing his mineral lines but he didtn over reach so the ONLY out I could see was to starve him out and deny expos while i take over every expo I could. TWICE he almost killed me.... Thank god for banelings....Bigfan, thanks to you aswell for drilling in the point on their awesomeness

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...steppes-of-war

Take a look and give me pointers.

Also, here is another match wehre I did the SAME thing as protoss vs a Zerg player...

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...istering-sands
Watched the ZvT replay.

Terran sucked. Should have 3 based at some point jeeze. Also poor macro while he was attacking.

You probably could have got away with your fast expo with enough lings. If you. If you wanted to feel safe though then it's fine. Either way you eneded up with a ton of money when he contained you, which you should have spent on a macro hatch much much sooner.

I did like that you took two bases after breaking.

You could work on your magic boxing with muta's... messed it up a little.

Creep spreading needs lots of work. Banelings / slings are even more sick on creep.

You could have harassed even more with the muta's... picking off reactors, tech labs, depots... anywhere that is not covered. Constantly come back and look.

You could have killed him earlier than you did, but that's not really important.


*EDIT* going to play on PTR now.
Edited by DoomDash - 12/6/10 at 7:54pm
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I don't even mind if they nerf marines as long as they look at the game being messed up later as well. I don't think marines are exactly OP or anything ( Neither do the state of the game Z players ), but if it does become a problem even with the late game being balanced better then go for it nerf them. I have never for a second been against Terran nerfs as long as they are adjusting the entire game to account for it. All I was saying is that I hope they are looking at the big picture as to WHY everyone is marine rushing. I don't think Marine rushing is something a pro players wants to depend on.. yet it seems like they always do it now days. Has to be a reason for it ( late game ).

As for your comments on your laddering. You say you don't want your T or P to be crushed in Platinum or something... but then you practice your Z vs pretty high rated Diamond players.. isn't that the same thing?
Agree for first paragraph, nerf and buff whatever to fix the game for the better. As for the crushing thing, well, true, I am getting crushed, but, you forget one important thing, there are points on the line in the ladder which isn't when you play customs. While I try my hardest in customs, I think if there were points I would better because I have something to lose

^^ Will be on PTR in T-30min, hope you're still on then. I'll visit the overclock.net channel there
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True but Moon is still really good and Jinro beat him pretty easily. Any player in the top 32 is really good.
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To prove his point, I just won a game vs an 1800 diamond player as Zerg. I kept harrassing his mineral lines but he didtn over reach so the ONLY out I could see was to starve him out and deny expos while i take over every expo I could. TWICE he almost killed me.... Thank god for banelings....Bigfan, thanks to you aswell for drilling in the point on their awesomeness
np, Neva, anytime They are indeed awesome units especially against T when they mass marines or just go MMM

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http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...steppes-of-war

Take a look and give me pointers.

Also, here is another match wehre I did the SAME thing as protoss vs a Zerg player...

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/1...istering-sands
Haven't looked, but, one thing I can mention is that I find against P, they aren't as useful as T because P have shields which makes their total hp much higher. Marines are 55 hp with combat shields, 2 banes taken one down, not including any nearby marines. A zealot has I thin 120 with shields or so. That's about 4 banes, not including other zealots. Then stalkers aren't light like marauders and can outrun them(I think), they obviously outrange them and blink means that you can easily sacrifice one of them to take out several banes(think 7 or so for one), so, it's less efficient As for denying expos, definitely a good way to win but takes a long time

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I kept telling BigFan banelings were sick .
lol, you make it sound like I said they were horrible. Originally, against T, never used them but then started adding them and lo and behold, MMM is a snap to take down Makes life that much easier, of course, adding a thor into the mix to absorb the banes attack increases the chances of your marines surviving as well as spacing your units and adding more marauders due to absorbing more bane hits
    
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Banes are always good cause Terran has to have MM.
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Show me some of blinkers builds
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Show me some of blinkers builds
Blinker should share because I would have to re-watch them all and he could probably explain better than me.


Check this out.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1306100875


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We would like to thank everyone for their participation thus far in the first StarCraft 2 public test. We’re in the process of temporarily taking down the PTR in order to apply changes based on your feedback and testing.

Some of the changes we’re working on implementing:
[li]Bunker build time reduction removed as previously noted[/li]
[li]Fungal Growth’s terrestrial limitation has been removed and the ability once again affects air units[/li]
[li]It will once again be possible to hold down a key to repeat a hotkey command[/li]

This down time is expected to start tomorrow at noon, 12:01 p.m. PST and last for approximately 2-3 days. Keep an eye on this forum for updates on when you can rejoin the Public Test Region and begin testing the newest changes.

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Im glad Blizzard addressed those zerg problems. I never even knew you could hold down a button and keep spawning that unit. I always pressed Z every time I wanted a zergling XD.
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