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If I didn't have two jobs I'd be playign right now too.
    
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If I didn't have two jobs I'd be playign right now too.
lol, well it's only 10:40 over there, we can get a game in if you like. Avg. time would be 20min or so
    
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Z @ Silver is different. 1 base is retarded. a strong sling/bane army will defeat any 2 base play... to me that's just lame / stupid.

Banelings ruin it for anyone who likes to play games that will last more than 10 minutes ( excluding bad players ).
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Z @ Silver is different. 1 base is retarded. a strong sling/bane army will defeat any 2 base play... to me that's just lame / stupid.

Banelings ruin it for anyone who likes to play games that will last more than 10 minutes ( excluding bad players ).
The thing is, I never said that's its one base. All my ZvsZ games have been 2+ bases. One of those games, I played against a gold player(used to be plat, but, he keeps getting disconnected which got him depromoted) and we both had 2 bases. I ended up taking a third but he had another 2 bases or so which I didn't scout, so, I lost but I won(disconnect). I think I posted the replay here.

My point was that at the start of ZvsZ, you have no choice but to stay on one base because that massive sling army is usually coming and if you expand early, you'll be punished for it, simple as that. Only after you have your own large army and have backed him off, can you expand with some safety. I'm pretty confident that it's the same at the diamond level, just with more banes
    
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which is lame.
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is today the finals of the GSL or semi? (in 3 hrs ish)
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which is lame.
huh? TvsT and PvsP are the exact same. Expanding too early can cause you to lose the game. Some of the T games I've played, it's MMT and leaping tanks. Adding in some medivacs and doing some drops, nothing different. Likewise with PvsP, you always get the zealot+stalker+sentry attacks then get colossi or immortals and attack or expand, etc.... My point is, the other matchup are the same thing, only difference is that you have banes in ZvsZ, so, your micro better be good otherwise you can lose your sling army in seconds
    
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is today the finals of the GSL or semi? (in 3 hrs ish)
nope, semis I think

This thread is hilarious: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1127159907
    
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Losing your army that fast to a 50/25 unit is not my idea of fun. No place in this game if you ask me. I prefer units you can actually micro with over time to have them live, not micro them literally every second or you're screwed. If you don't understand that you just have different idea's of what fun is. In TvT there is almost nothing even comparable. Everything you have can be at least have a chance to micro away / run even with 1 mistake. Some of ZvZ is almost random luck at times. Obviously not always, but I can almost promise you ZvZ has more good players losing to bad players than any other match up.
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Losing your army that fast to a 50/25 unit is not my idea of fun. No place in this game if you ask me. I prefer units you can actually micro with over time to have them live, not micro them literally every second or you're screwed. If you don't understand that you just have different idea's of what fun is. In TvT there is almost nothing even comparable. Everything you have can be at least have a chance to micro away / run even with 1 mistake. Some of ZvZ is almost random luck at times. Obviously not always, but I can almost promise you ZvZ has more good players losing to bad players than any other match up.
You make it sound like your whole army of slings is gone. I've never lost all my army like that before, because, you have to micro them to avoid the banes and then send your own. The worse case scenario was exchanging banes for each other or he'll attack my slings with banes, I move back and send my own banes in, etc.... Quite funny and make for some interesting matches.
Maybe random luck, but, that last statement is your opinion because there is no way to test it. One thing is for certain, whenever I play ZvsZ, if I see my opponent expanding, he's as good as dead, because, I'll be throwing as many slings at him as I can while defending my base using spine crawlers. If you really interested in improving your micro, playing ZvsZ will greatly increase it due to banes. BTW, if it does go slings/banes, you'll more than likely copy your opponent which leads to some interesting sling/bane exchanges, lol. You can still micro slings and banes, so, I don't see your point. Also, banes only do 20 damage to non-light units, so, it's easy to make a roach and use it as bait if your opponent A-moves

Edit: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/to...7159907?page=3
Those posts are hilarious, love the dragoon one, a must read!
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