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It makes sense. It's not fun, incredibly slow, and retarded that I have to leap frog tanks all the way across long maps just so my army doesn't die pretty much instantly. Have you ever leap frogged your tanks across Blistering sands? It takes like 20 minutes. Don't get greedy and try to get close to his bases in a timely maner or you're a goner.
I've never leaped frogged tanks across blistering sands before. I've only ever played TvsZ twice, one in a custom game where he baned busted me. In the other one, I won on scrap station due to banshee harass. I took out his 2 bases and then went for his gold one using MMM+banshees for some more dps, rather sloppy playing on my part but turrets around my base with some marines+medivacs really helped against his 16 mutas or so. Lucky for me, he didn't tried to group them together and focus fire my marines or the medivacs
    
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You aren't taking into account the 3-4 units surrounding the thor / tank that they just did hundreds of damage to in splash. No **** they aren't efficient vs single thors or siege tanks, but they have splash that has a surprisingly big radius and is super effective.

Why do you think Z Koreans are doing it against Protoss? It's not because banelings are good vs single stalkers, its because no micro in the world can spread out your units enough to make banelings be un-efficient in large armies.
I knew you were going to mention it, but, you are correct, I wasn't taking that into account. With tanks, usually you spread them out. With thors and marines, it's really up to you. Of course, you can't spread them out to the point where each one marine can be only hit by one bane but at least maybe in groups of 3-4. I think the best weapon against them to create a choke point and have some marauders+cs to slow them down along with marines focus firing them. Again, you'll only take so many down, but, such is the nature of the game. Only fix that I can see is reducing the splash so that one bane can take out 2 marines or so so that they are at least hard countering them, but, you still need to consider that they cost gas and one bane > one marine in terms of cost.
Edited by BigFan - 12/8/10 at 11:52pm
    
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Terran to attack Zerg : Bring army, leap frog tanks, spread out, kite to tank lines, scan for baneling mines, make sure Marauders are in front of the Marines, make sure tanks in back are protected from muta's. Think about how slow that is to be done the way it's needed ( and it's needed believe me ).
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Terran to attack Zerg : Bring army, leap frog tanks, spread out, kite to tank lines, scan for baneling mines, make sure Marauders are in front of the Marines, make sure tanks in back are protected from muta's. Think about how slow that is to be done the way it's needed ( and it's needed believe me ).
That's definitely slow, but, what can I say?
    
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When tanks were more efficient vs light you could for the most part afford to move across the map with out the risk of your super expensive army just being screwed if you didn't have a siege tank already sieged to fall back to. I don't think I want tanks to do that damage again ( I do find the falling back to your siege tanks to be neat ), but I also don't think that banes need to do that sick amount of radius splash that they currently have.

From my findings you have to have tanks sieged at all times your you pretty much lose. I don't think that's really ideal for big maps... kills Terran mobility even more.

I don't have an answer for it... but I would like Blizzard to play around with it in PTR and see how both sides feel.
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When tanks were more efficient vs light you could for the most part afford to move across the map with out the risk of your super expensive army just being screwed if you didn't have a siege tank already sieged to fall back to. I don't think I want tanks to do that damage again ( I do find the falling back to your siege tanks to be neat ), but I also don't think that banes need to do that sick amount of radius splash that they currently have.

From my findings you have to have tanks sieged at all times your you pretty much lose. I don't think that's really ideal for big maps... kills Terran mobility even more.

I don't have an answer for it... but I would like Blizzard to play around with it in PTR and see how both sides feel.
hmm, they do 35 against all and 50 vs. armored now, correct? You gotta remember though, that siege tanks are weak upfront so if I engage with slings and you seige up, if you kill a couple, I'll be at the tank in no time at all

True though, try and keep them sieged up as much as possible. Well, since, we have PTR, I'm sure they'll play around with it like FG or bunker build reduction time
    
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Yeah I just want it to be looked at. PTR was a great idea.
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Another game trick:

http://www.justin.tv/tpfour/b/275229914

Around 3+ minutes.
At what time is the trick?
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Not sure of the exact time. It's right after 3 minutes, with just a probe making a 3rd pylon pushing him through his other pylon.
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Ah neat.. I never knew that
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