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I never 4 gate FE vs terran or zerg, only Protoss without the expo. You really need observers asap in almost every game. 2 gate FE with robo then 3rd gate is much safer.
I dont usually like 3gate robo against zerg. I prefer stargate unless zerg gets a lot of roaches. Robo bay wouldnt be very useful against muta/ling. I think using a phoenix to scout is more efficient than obs in PvZ since it's much faster. You can also do a lot of harassing with it as well. In PvT however, I do like robo bays.

I pretty much only 1 base 4 gate against zerg. Rarely against protoss and never against terran. I 1 base 4 gate against zerg sometimes when they FE and I lose very few of these games. A lot of zergs still dont know how to adjust to this and get greedy by droning up at the 5-6 min mark instead of building some lings/roaches/sunkens.
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I dont usually like 3gate robo against zerg. I prefer stargate unless zerg gets a lot of roaches. Robo bay wouldnt be very useful against muta/ling. I think using a phoenix to scout is more efficient than obs in PvZ since it's much faster. You can also do a lot of harassing with it as well. In PvT however, I do like robo bays.

I pretty much only 1 base 4 gate against zerg. Rarely against protoss and never against terran. I 1 base 4 gate against zerg sometimes when they FE and I lose very few of these games. A lot of zergs still dont know how to adjust to this and get greedy by droning up at the 5-6 min mark instead of building some lings/roaches/sunkens.
One base 3/4 gate is extremely effective vs 1 rax expo or any type of FE in PvP. You can ff around bunkers and its GG. 2 gate Stargate is also very good vs zerg, but if you go voids its all in pretty much. Then again, if they don't scout it most Zergs don't go for hydras that quickly, and they can't afford mutas yet. I've been doing some builds with voids vs Terran and pwning people. Voids with visions and charged up are insane.
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FF bunkers is not popular enough yet. Someone did that to me at point where I thought I was completely safe and it was over. I saw MC do that in the tournament to Jinro a few times... **** is GOOD.
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Agreed but early game terran is a bit intimidating so I guess that's why I dont 4 gate against them. I usually send in my first 2 units before my warp gates finishes to soften up his marines but that's pretty much it. I use the info I see to adjust my play from there. If you see a bunker though, you should put some pressure since it usually means he is teching.

I only like one base 4 gating against zerg when they FE. It doesnt always win you the game right then but will allow you to contain the zerg while you get up your expo.
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FF bunkers is not popular enough yet. Someone did that to me at point where I thought I was completely safe and it was over. I saw MC do that in the tournament to Jinro a few times... **** is GOOD.
Agreed. I need to be more aggressive early game against terran like MC. I hesitate because MM generally owns gateway units but FF usually evens it out if you know how to use it.
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Agreed. I need to be more aggressive early game against terran like MC. I hesitate because MM generally owns gateway units but FF usually evens it out if you know how to use it.
As I was saying to that Protoss player on here who challenged me earlier, there is a sweet spot in PvT where your gateway units will be more powerful than Terran ( not right away, but before stim and shield ). That's exactly when MC was hitting Jinro.
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As I was saying to that Protoss player on here who challenged me earlier, there is a sweet spot in PvT where your gateway units will be more powerful than Terran ( not right away, but before stim and shield ). That's exactly when MC was hitting Jinro.
Pretty much. Even better if you guys are in closer positions. You might not win the game right then but you will soften his units/economy which will discourage him from attacking you early. Use that time to expand/tech from there.
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I've been steam rolling through toss lately going 2 rax expand. scv, marine, marauder with concussion push right off the bat can really hurt the toss's economy. Followed with trading army's while I get out an expo (mainly to lower zeal/sentry count). Then going drop ships.
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What league are you in Warren? And around what time does your MM get to the protoss' base? I just want to compare that to the time I get a sentry or 2
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