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Heh, I was using the same hot keys for a while. But reaching all the way to 0 as zerg for your hatcheries is tiresome.
those were my hotkeys way back in the day when everyone i played with was at big game hunters LOL
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i accidentally woke up at 12pm EST...might be sleeping again in a bit but frack that...time for some games...BF you good to go?
@Day9 discussion: well i haven't been watching his vod's lately liek i said due to work...but i've learned a buttload of stuff from him specially micro/macro stuff, economy game and know when to retreat/attack...

man i really need to let go of my SC1 hotkeys...CC/OC/PF = 0 | attack group 1,2,3 | rax = 9 | fac = 8 | ports = 7 | everything else is blank >__<

also i've been watching SC2NoobSchool over at YT as he does give some good stuff.

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you can hate shakuras, that's fine, your personal opinion. in my opinion, i like it.

but how haven't you won on it? it has like Zerg written all over it. It's like #2 next to Scrap, Distance wise.

lets play, NOW! practice some shakuras games.
Well, sometimes I forget to keep track of the back rocks or I've been marine+thor attacked and without scouting wasn't prepared. Can't recall having a non-Z game on it. My experience was mostly from when they added it since I got a lot of games on it then and I wasn't too great with my macro/micro/scouting, etc.... so I lost a lot. Hate is a strong word, I meant dislike due to past experience

Long story short, I used to also dislike scrap even as a Z Maybe it's because I didn't macro well enough once I got my exp so I was using the distance to my advantage, but, I've come to like scrap especially with that yellow mineral base near the bottom

Sorry guys, I would love a game, but, going to be heading out soon, but, if you guys are on tonight, I'll be more than happy to get a game going on Plateau

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No logical reason not to watch day9 as a bonus. Just saying the only person your hurting is yourself. If that's what you want so be it.
Net issue means that I'll have to wait forever while it loads up. So I will have to balance playing a game or two of SC2 or wait to watch a day9 video, a dileema indeed
    
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you can hate shakuras, that's fine, your personal opinion. in my opinion, i like it.

but how haven't you won on it? it has like Zerg written all over it. It's like #2 next to Scrap, Distance wise.

lets play, NOW! practice some shakuras games.
BigFan isn't a macro Zerg.
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@BF: LOL WUT!? man switch to TekSavvy if you can... $41.75 a month for a good 10mpbs DL speed @ 200gb cap!

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Heh, I was using the same hot keys for a while when I was playing primarily as Terran. But reaching all the way to 0 as zerg for your hatcheries is tiresome.

Now I use 1-2-3-4 for units, and 5 for queens, 6 for hatcheries, 7 for OLs/Overseers.
I find 0 is harder to reach as well. I just stick with 1 for hatcheries, 2 for queens(to inject larvae using minimap quicker), then the rest for units and 9 for scouting OL, probe, SCV

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BigFan isn't a macro Zerg.
That's soo funny to hear because it's true Although, I've since concentrated on my macro whenever I'm Z and would say I've seen improvements
    
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@BF: LOL WUT!? man switch to TekSavvy if you can... $41.75 a month for a good 10mpbs DL speed @ 200gb cap!
Sad to say, but, that's what I have Had it for 2y, was fine but last 1.5 month it's been nothing but horrible. I mean it loads pages fine, but, playing sc2 can be horrid sometimes
    
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That's soo funny to hear because it's true Although, I've since concentrated on my macro whenever I'm Z and would say I've seen improvements
It's odd too cause my friend "MasterLaw" is also not a macro Zerg. If you watch any replay of him he tries to be cute and fancy, and usually has lower drone count than my SCV count. I yell at him all the time saying he should be beating me if he just plays macro Zerg but like you he is pretty stubborn in his ideas / play.

It's nice that he gives me so many free wins though. I 3-0ed him last night too. But you can get 2400+ as a cute / fancy Zerg w/ out strong macro it seems like my friend .
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That's why I dont like it. I think 5 seconds is perfect.

(...)

I never win a macro game when Z gets 20+ mutas.
Funny.

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If you say GG first I will fly command centers around the map though.
Lol, nothing pisses me off as much as this and I react in similar way.

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I'm also pretty confident that I'll get into diamond if I play more games, but, I'm also taking my time to iron my timings/macro/micro/scouting before moving out of my league. Don't forget that I'm watching those GSL games and hearing all the commentary by Artosis and Tasteless so I'll still pick up on some strats and tips for the different races on the different maps. Might not be as detailed as day9, but, I say it's good enough
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I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I already know all those mentioned and have stated them myself many times without ever watching a single day9 video. I've made up maps where I practiced microing units(marines, phenoixes, etc....) and have done some practice before.

I've carefully analyzed every single game I've ever played afterwards to see where I messed up, what I could've done better even though I won and what my opponent was doing during all that time. My point is, I'm enjoying sc2 as is and developing my own skills at my rate as time passes. Will I watch a day9episode sometime in the near future? Possibly, depending if I find one of his videos interesting, but, atm I'm fine as is
I'm pretty confident that you won't make it to diamond if you don't change your attitude. You can't just learn from pro replays, because you won't know what to look for and won't understand the reasoning behind decisions they make. Also talking with other players, who are probably as clueless as you won't do you any good. There is a good chance you are just learning the wrong things. Most of the stuff your are talking about is absolutely irrelevant to your level of play. You don't need ANY micro, "timings" or advanced tactics to get to diamond. On the other hand you need solid build orders, macro and understanding of basic strategic principles which day 9 can teach you.
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On the other hand you need solid build orders, macro and understanding of basic strategic principles which day 9 can teach you.
^ totally

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I'm pretty confident that you won't make it to diamond if you don't change your attitude. You can't just learn from pro replays, because you won't know what to look for and won't understand the reasoning behind decisions they make. Also talking with other players, who are probably as clueless as you won't do you any good. There is a good chance you are just learning the wrong things. Most of the stuff your are talking about is absolutely irrelevant to your level of play. You don't need ANY micro, "timings" or advanced tactics to get to diamond. On the other hand you need solid build orders, macro and understanding of basic strategic principles which day 9 can teach you.
lol, we'll see about that Talking with other players gives me an idea of their success with certain strats in the diamond league. Maybe I should clarify, but, these are also diamond players I'm talking to, not some silver player who just won because he cheesed the game. I've played customs and have had discussions with these players, some are quite interesting to say the least.

I do love how you make it sound like I'm completely clueless about everything though, as if I've never played a single game, didn't practice, etc.... and decided to just randomly talk about nonsense because I believe otherwise. I've played a decent amount of games considering my net issues. I play the game to enjoy it while remaining as competitive as possible. If I lose a game because of a mistake I made, I gg my opponent, leave and *try* to remember to fix it. That to me, is how the game is to be played.

As I've said before, I've been working on my macro, have an idea of basic strategic principles(high ground, what counters what, timings, etc....) and I don't follow any specific BO after a certain point because I like to change my strat every game to keep my opponent guessing, that to me, is what SC2 is about

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It's odd too cause my friend "MasterLaw" is also not a macro Zerg. If you watch any replay of him he tries to be cute and fancy, and usually has lower drone count than my SCV count. I yell at him all the time saying he should be beating me if he just plays macro Zerg but like you he is pretty stubborn in his ideas / play.

It's nice that he gives me so many free wins though. I 3-0ed him last night too. But you can get 2400+ as a cute / fancy Zerg w/ out strong macro it seems like my friend .
Even I have to admit that his macro wasn't the greatest lol @ cute and fancy, I try to do those in team games and in some 1vs1 if I don't feel like being serious. Free wins don't teach you much though, losing teaches you a lot more BTW, nothing wrong with being stubborn. It could actually cause him to improve his microing and timings in order to overcome his macro issues, because, he's determined to win with his method



Either way, I'm closing this day9 discussion. I'm just not interested atm and having to repeat my same points over and over is tiresome and is a waste of my and your time. Call me stubborn, bias, etc... if you want, that's fine, don't really care
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