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are we going to do a get together again in SC2 sometime? that was cool with quite a few people and watching each other play, especially the lol comments when spectating

although a few team games instead of just 1v1s might have been cool too...
We should all play some games tonight.
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guys i'm really frustrated myself. how do you kill void rays? they are just so op and they should be nerfed. i was at 200 supply, my entire army of 90 + marines were completely decimated by 11 void rays. why aren't they nerfed? they have no counter either, and they increase damage after charging up and there's no cooldown between target switches. if you micro void rays and shift attack units one by one they will kill marines in half a second. anybody wanna watch a replay and tell me what i did wrong?
First off, your terran? Second you gotta remember to press t.
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No such thing as loosing to void rays. You need to understand sc2 strat better. It's more of you lost to better macro, you didn't scout or pressured enough etc.

post a replay i'm sure people here would be able to help.

Did anyone watch the new day9 video today on youtube? I lol at the youtube ad where they were trying to sell WoW gold.
i scouted him and saw 11 void rays. i massed marines to counter them and vikings too. when i attacked i had 90 marines and they were all destroyed by the void rays. my enitre army was decimated and he still had 10 void rays left. was at 200 supply , after left with 72 cause i alaso had siege tanks, vikings, marauders, too shoot the zealots.
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guys i'm really frustrated myself. how do you kill void rays? they are just so op and they should be nerfed. i was at 200 supply, my entire army of 90 + marines were completely decimated by 11 void rays. why aren't they nerfed? they have no counter either, and they increase damage after charging up and there's no cooldown between target switches. if you micro void rays and shift attack units one by one they will kill marines in half a second. anybody wanna watch a replay and tell me what i did wrong?
Post up the replay, I'll take a look a bit later, since, I'm not on my rig atm. I have a hard time seeing 90+ marines losing to 11 VRs though. Did you upgrade, get stim, marine shields, try to engage before they charge, etc....? Marines are the counter to VRs because they aren't armored and have high dps with stim along with the fact that they are massable because no gas is required
You need to focus fire the VRs as well otherwise with the marine damage spread out over all 11 of them, you won't be able to take much down. I also have a feeling that you engaged at a choke which means that only so many marines were attacking at once so once the VRs took care of though, they were charged up and were able to keep taking the rest of the marines in stride
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guys i'm really frustrated myself. how do you kill void rays? they are just so op and they should be nerfed. i was at 200 supply, my entire army of 90 + marines were completely decimated by 11 void rays. why aren't they nerfed? they have no counter either, and they increase damage after charging up and there's no cooldown between target switches. if you micro void rays and shift attack units one by one they will kill marines in half a second. anybody wanna watch a replay and tell me what i did wrong?
judging from your tactics and strategic measures, it would lead one to believe that you are in bronze. what you should've done was to move all your marines under the 11 void rays and the marines would shoot the void rays many times and the void rays will break really fast because the marines have 5 damage per attack and they shoot really fast. you dont make all 90+ marines shoot 1 void ray obviously so you would just a-move like all terran do and there damage would be even higher if you upgread the weapans for the marines from the engineer's bay. o also if u had 90+ marines, let's say lik 100 marines then you have lik 100 scvs or something so really your army was ok against void rays, but you fail to micro your marines. they dont do that much dmg against the marines because marines have no armoors and i want to watch the replay plz just send the replay somehow and i will analyze it further for you.
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Post up the replay, I'll take a look a bit later, since, I'm not on my rig atm. I have a hard time seeing 90+ marines losing to 11 VRs though. Did you upgrade, get stim, marine shields, try to engage before they charge, etc....? Marines are the counter to VRs because they aren't armored and have high dps with stim along with the fact that they are massable because no gas is required
no stim, but shields upgraded. yes, 90 marines. all with combat shields. and vikings. completely obliterated.

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft...ails&id=177054
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judging from your tactics and strategic measures, it would lead one to believe that you are in bronze. what you should've done was to move all your marines under the 11 void rays and the marines would shoot the void rays many times and the void rays will break really fast because the marines have 5 damage per attack and they shoot really fast. you dont make all 90+ marines shoot 1 void ray obviously so you would just a-move like all terran do and there damage would be even higher if you upgread the weapans for the marines from the engineer's bay. o also if u had 90+ marines, let's say lik 100 marines then you have lik 100 scvs or something so really your army was ok against void rays, but you fail to micro your marines. they dont do that much dmg against the marines because marines have no armoors and i want to watch the replay plz just send the replay somehow and i will analyze it further for you.
oh and yes i did a move. yes i am in bronze. add me, i suck i wanna improve. you seem like a nice guy.
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no stim, but shields upgraded. yes, 90 marines. all with combat shields. and vikings. completely obliterated.

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft...ails&id=177054
You need stim, really, if you go for MMM(marine,marauders, medivacs), marine shield, stim and shells are things you should research ASAP. Stim helps a lot if you are able to micro well. You should watch some of the Nestea vs Rain games I'm currently watching, you'll see how amazing his marine micro is and how it helps him out a lot
    
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oh and yes i did a move. yes i am in bronze. add me, i suck i wanna improve. you seem like a nice guy.
ok hi i watch ur replay just now and u should not max out the queue for building marines because u can use those monies to be building more barracks for more marines. use ur command centurs more cause they have maxed out energy the entire game and u used lik 1 mule. u can scan more so u see wat units he has and u can counter them by making units that are good against them. you shouldnt run banshiis into the canoons because they are detectirs and can see ur units so even if u cloak u will still die and you wasted cloak money + banshiis money for nothing and u didnt even break the 1 canoon. when u pushed with ur hole army, your units did'nt atk until 1 minute later so you got owned because u werent doing anything and it looks like u were trying to break the nexus, but u did it wrong and u should just a-move ur entire army with 1 control group then group the tanks into another so you can press lik 2,e and they will siege and ur flying units into another to all attack the important unit. dont build random units for no reasons lik the banshees lol because they do nothing. also dont fight the canoons if there are like 6 of them u are just destroying urself. u have to run away after u haras the enemi and dont lost units because of the fighting with the probes. hope this is very help to u
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ok hi i watch ur replay just now and u should not max out the queue for building marines because u can use those monies to be building more barracks for more marines. use ur command centurs more cause they have maxed out energy the entire game and u used lik 1 mule. u can scan more so u see wat units he has and u can counter them by making units that are good against them. you shouldnt run banshiis into the canoons because they are detectirs and can see ur units so even if u cloak u will still die and you wasted cloak money + banshiis money for nothing and u didnt even break the 1 canoon. when u pushed with ur hole army, your units did'nt atk until 1 minute later so you got owned because u werent doing anything and it looks like u were trying to break the nexus, but u did it wrong and u should just a-move ur entire army with 1 control group then group the tanks into another so you can press lik 2,e and they will siege and ur flying units into another to all attack the important unit. dont build random units for no reasons lik the banshees lol because they do nothing. also dont fight the canoons if there are like 6 of them u are just destroying urself. u have to run away after u haras the enemi and dont lost units because of the fighting with the probes. hope this is very help to u
While this has good info, you should space it out a bit, maybe point form or paragraphs. Thought I'll mention this before someone else does because I've been guilty of the same thing Should mention he shouldn't a-move his army but you are correct about engaging those cannons, must better idea to use siege tanks and don't go banshees unless you plan to harass a bit otherwise they are easily taken down with a detector(observer, cannon, turrets, ravens, overseer and spores)
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