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I'll gladly play as Z but I don't know how to play any match up as Z properly so it won't really show anything.
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I don't want replays of you vs anything less than 2600 Diamond Zergs. I have no problem with Zergs below that level, ask anyone on here. I'm sure I could get whatever I wanted to work against the Zergs you're laddering, but that's not the point.

I think what you are telling me is a gimmick and I don't play gimmicks. I prefer reliability.. not risking losing everything when I could get siege mode for stability that much faster ( which means getting my expo up much faster ). If you lose your stimmed marines to a miss micro or just him being able to correctly deal with it a counter attack with out siege tanks is not work it.
How is it gimmicky? That's the way that a lot of top diamond players open TvZ. I don't think that I've ever seen anyone go tank first TvZ besides you.
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I don't know what's so interesting in unbalanced maps. Eg. PvP on steppes when one side can easily harass opponents expo with colossus while the other one can't. These are major design flaws. 1 food roaches and 6 range VRs were interesting as well?

Shame not many people play iccup maps. They're quite decent.
Also if you want to get to this even more, Terran should get tech labs / reactors to be selectable which side they appear / build on because you get screwed like 50% of the time.



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How is it gimmicky? That's the way that a lot of top diamond players open TvZ. I don't think that I've ever seen anyone go tank first TvZ besides you.
Do whatever you like, you'll find out soon enough.
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I'm not saying they should always be this way, it really depends on how big of a difference it is. For Steps specifically I would agree with you because that part of the map is super important especially on such a close positions map. I wouldn't mind there being iccup versions of Blizzard maps with fixes, but for Laddering I really don't mind it.

I have to make an extra barracks on scrap station on the top spawn, but I adapt and it just makes me have to change my game / think a little different. I don't see a big deal with that for at least non-tournament play.
Yeah well, for Metalopolis example I don't just have to adjust my play, but I have to totally change it. I can go forge nexus or nexus first on 3 o'clock, even if the zerg goes for some 1 base all in, but if I spawn at 9 I have to go 3 gate or stargate expand and once I have the expo up it's easier for the zerg to harass. Also at the same map at some positions you can kill pylon contain placing a spine crawler at your initial creep while at others you can't. I'm not sure if it's intended.

So if I spawn at 9 and zerg at 3 and he decides to hatch first I'm at quite a disadvantage and if it's the opposite than it's in my favor.

Btw there are some iccup maps available but it's impossible to find games on them.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=139560
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If you don't plan to do constant harassment early on. I don't see the point of getting stim early. And I would much rather tech faster.

Getting stim and not using it constantly is the equivalent of building unit-producing structures without having the economy to support it.

or the equivalent to building canons/spine crawlers just to feel "safe," although you feel safe, it's not that wise economically/tech-wise.

idk, I don't play Terran, but that's how I view it. The closest thing for Toss would probably be: getting blink or extended lance and not hitting that timing, which is not even close to being the same.

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scv song LOL

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If you don't plan to do constant harassment early on. I don't see the point of getting stim early. And I would much rather tech faster.

Getting stim and not using it constantly is the equivalent of building unit-producing structures without having the economy to support it.

or the equivalent to building canons/spine crawlers just to feel "safe," although you feel safe, it's not that wise economically/tech-wise.

idk, I don't play Terran, but that's how I view it. The closest thing for Toss would probably be: getting blink or extended lance and not hitting that timing, which is not even close to being the same.

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I do, do constant harassment early on. When stims done researching I normally have a handful of marines and I'll normally push to the zergs natural and do some sort of harassment so that I don't let the zerg just drone up and get a free win.
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Man, that baneling song is soo funny XD
    
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I do, do constant harassment early on. When stims done researching I normally have a handful of marines and I'll normally push to the zergs natural and do some sort of harassment so that I don't let the zerg just drone up and get a free win.
Do you do it more than once, though? If so, good, you're making good use of getting stim first. That's your strat and that's your style.

As long as people make use of the upgrades they're getting right away, it's all good.

Factory first or Stim first is irrelevant. People got their own technique and it's LADDER, your opponents vary. If it was a pro-tournament you'd study the ***** out of your opponent and then would stim-first or factory-first matter. But not on ladder where, again, your opponents vary.

That's why a lot of pros are complaining about the match-history BO section in their profiles. its easy to see what they are preparing with and what they're getting first.
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