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Originally Posted by BigFan;11925163 
lol, why would we need such a mechanism? We also have burrow for all our units smile.gif

Zerg early game sucks unless you go all-in :/
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Originally Posted by BigFan;11924976 
I'm up for it, question is, are you? In terms of playing doom, we haven't had a 1vs1 in over 2 month, so, I have no clue as to how his skills have changed.

Even if my skills were exactly the same you wouldn't touch me. I had better money management than you since my first day playing. Also I don't think you'd be able to touch yks or vdek either.
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Incase you haven't realized, I'm not Tester tongue.gif Having cleared that, I did listen to all of it. Infact, I started to get pretty tired by the end *gasp* because essentially, it seems that aside from the don't get supply blocked, keep making workers and don't overstress, he was trying to convey the message that if you macro better than your opponent, you'll have a bigger army which will win you the battle. BTW, since, you seem to have gotten the message so strongly, why don't you tell me what part of it I missed? confused.gif

Applying it in practice I guess. tongue.gif If you focused on those fundamentals in your games rather than many other things you talk about, which may be right, but which are quite irrelevant at your level of play, you would improve really fast. The reason why he seams to talk about pretty much the same thing over and over is because of how important it is.

I know my macro is pratty bad and is one of the main things holding me back. A lot of even mid-high diamond players think they have a good macro, while they don't.

Now if you really think you got the basics down I highly recommend you watch yesterday's daily which covers a bit more advanced stuff like zerg's timings, droning, scouting etc. It has not be uploaded yet though, but should be pretty soon.
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Originally Posted by Katana;11924799 
Hey, I meant to ask; I somewhat miss Goliaths from the original game (I like having a ground unit that dominates air units). I noticed that the Thor has a rocket attack for aerial enemies. I just wanted to know if that's actually a relatively good attack, or if the Thor should be saved for ground opponents.
It's decent. Most notable aspect is the spash damage, which can obliterate a pack of mutas if the Zerg player isn't paying attention. Overall, mass marines are Terran's best anti-air; just make sure you don't run them into a pack of blings or you'll get the same result that Zerg player gets when he runs his mutas into your thors.
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Thor's AA is only good vs: Muta', Phoenix, Banshee. It's good against newbies too I guess since it will do splash if you have a lot of them and the opponent doesn't split up his units.
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Originally Posted by vdek;11925251 
Zerg early game sucks unless you go all-in :/
true indeed, I've tried to harass with Z, it stinks when you can't :/ I think I've lost as a result as well. Much easier to harass with P/T especially with sentries, the whole AA issue and stim added into the mix smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Lucas Lamer;11925232 
Took a loss because of my *%$ internet service. 30 minutes of intense concentration, finally destroyed the enemy main and was mopping up the last enemy troops, was maybe 30 seconds away from gg, and then I get dropped and take a loss. I would do terrible things to do a Verizon employee right now. I thinking about that scene in Reservoir Dogs with the ear-cutting and gasoline.
lol, good thing you don't have my net then. Defending against a cheese only to have your net disconnect you, not once, not twice, but, five times I've lost games. There might've been more and the fact that i've had my comp lag during high engagment doesn't help micro in an already bad situation :/
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Originally Posted by DoomDash;11925348 
Even if my skills were exactly the same you wouldn't touch me. I had better money management than you since my first day playing. Also I don't think you'd be able to touch yks or vdek either.
lol, maybe you should re-read my post. All I said was that I have no clue how much your game has changed, likewise with yks or vdek. Never said I'll win you, although, that's not outside the realm of possibility in the distant future smile.gif
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Originally Posted by poroboszcz;11925406 
Applying it in practice I guess. tongue.gif If you focused on those fundamentals in your games rather than many other things you talk about, which may be right, but which are quite irrelevant at your level of play, you would improve really fast. The reason why he seams to talk about pretty much the same thing over and over is because of how important it is.

I know my macro is pratty bad and is one of the main things holding me back. A lot of even mid-high diamond players think they have a good macro, while they don't.

Now if you really think you got the basics down I highly recommend you watch yesterday's daily which covers a bit more advanced stuff like zerg's timings, droning, scouting etc. It has not be uploaded yet though, but should be pretty soon.
Well, it's nice to know I got the message and it's practice I need XD Even if they are irrelevant at my level, it makes for interseting discussions, not to mention that I still need to know some of those things because they become more relevant as you move up. I mean some of those counters are revelant at even my current league level, just not as much as in the diamond league smile.gif
    
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Originally Posted by vdek;11924185 
I dunno, my ratio's actually been going up, lol.

So was mine. I had a 13 win streak ( on huggle ) but eventually you'll hit a wall tongue.gif. There was even a moment on DoomDash I went up 3% in w/l ratio... but now I'm down 5% from that heh.

But yes you should ladder. It's tons of fun.
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Damn I hate banshees. Just played against T on DQ, scouted his main just after rax finished and saw 1 gas, second rax building and tech-lab. So I continue with my no robo build and just when I'm about to attack he shows up in my base with a cloaked banshee and offensively gg's. Hate this ****. gunner.gif

Apparently he canceled rax and tech-lab just after my probe left and teched to banshees immediately. My fault in not poking up his ramp more often.
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Originally Posted by DoomDash;11926287 
So was mine. I had a 13 win streak ( on huggle ) but eventually you'll hit a wall tongue.gif. There was even a moment on DoomDash I went up 3% in w/l ratio... but now I'm down 5% from that heh.

But yes you should ladder. It's tons of fun.
He doesn't ladder? eek.giftongue.gif
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Damn I hate banshees. Just played against T on DQ, scouted his main just after rax finished and saw 1 gas, second rax building and tech-lab. So I continue with my no robo build and just when I'm about to attack he shows up in my base with a cloaked banshee and offensively gg's. Hate this ****. gunner.gif

Apparently he canceled rax and tech-lab just after my probe left and teched to banshees immediately. My fault in not poking up his ramp more often.
Banshees are awesome units if your opponent isn't prepared for them and if they manage to take it out, they'll start cannoning up around their base or at least making units instead of constantly making workers, etc.... I do have to say that he was smart there, made you think one thing and did another. Also, shows that even diamond players forget to scout wink.gif Although, I do think that gg is offensive as you mentioned.
    
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Just noticed his nick was Machiavelli lol. Should have expected something sneaky.
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